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6 k

@Ugk26

nearly 6k a month

Sounds about right ( see notes )

Advice

Be careful what you ask for

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Teams

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Edit, This advice is based on Food production, Hero XP production, and ascension item acquisition

While it may seem like a good idea to skip straight to 4* / 5* heroes, this advice is based on lots of math

Searching the forums will let curious readers check the math themselves

@Gryphonknight

My advice is usually 2x rainbow 3* 3.50 team ( 10x total heroes )

then

3x to 4x rainbow 4* 3.60 team ( 25x to 30x total heroes )

then

using 3* ascension items

then

2x to 3x rainbow 4* 4.70 team

then

2x rainbow 5* 3.70 team ( 35x to 40x total heroes )

then

using 4* ascension items ( see notes ).

Loot to get loot

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@Gryphonknight

Use loot to get loot

Miki/ Tarlak/ Ranvir/ Wu Kong can help you get loot to level other heroes including your raid, and war, defense team

Attack versus defense

The majority of loot in Empires is from attacking ( Titans, Rare Quests, Class quests, Limit Breaker quests, Challenge events, AR, VF, etc. )

A strong Raid defense is primarily to prevent wasting raid energy climbing back into Platinum/ Diamond to open a Wanted Raid Chest

A strong war defense is more important than a strong war attacker, since you only need 1x defender to 6x attackers, but a strong war attacker that is also a strong titan / quest / farming attacker will get more loot in the long run

Roster

([Guide, 5* Duplicates] How Academy, and Costumes v5.0, changed the 4* / 5* hero inventory or Gryphonknight's General rules for 4* / 5* inventory management [Empires v43])

Prioritizing leveling

(Leveling Strategies - What makes the most sense? - #10 by Gryphonknight)

Power leveling

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@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

Max leveling hoard

To most I even had on a single account was enough to 1 day power level 5x 5* 4.80 .

I was saving for Ranvir, and a few others 5* heroes, I got none of them leading to a rage quit.

@Gryphonknight

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Extra low cost

The reference sheet I use:

@Gryphonknight

Extra low cost and Legendary

Update:

Use Extra low cost for Hero XP and Legendary for Food.

Hoarded in camps

|5* 4.80|RT11|RT20|

| — | — | — |

| total | ( finished ) | ( unfinished ) |

|1|1,259|67|

|2|2,518|134|

|3|3,777|205|

|4|5,036|268|

|5|6,295|335|

Example

If RT11 has 3000 finished heroes and RT20 has 150 unfinished heroes ( waiting to train or 300 days ) then you have enough heroes and food for 2x 5* 4.80.

Pace

@gregschen

I haven’t actually done it myself yet!

I have done this at least 15 times on my various accounts. I keep promising to remember to pace myself.

Set a timer and stretch every 15 minutes.

Drink plenty of fluids.

Buy a stylus.

When I forget, my hands are usually sore for several days.

Order

@gregschen

i. Off-color 1s

ii. Same color 1s

iii. Off-color 2s

iv. Same color 2s

v. Off-color 3s

vi. Same color 3s

vii. Follow the same pattern for trainer heroes

I tried this a few times. You can also try and save all your same color 2* heroes:

([Wiki, Play style] Xero786 ( Zero )'s leveling one hero at a time technique from his video - #2 by Gryphonknight)

But.

I have 50 open roster slots. It takes 1,259 from Extra low cost training to go from 5* 1.1 to 5* 4.80 . So I am doing this at least 25 times.

Since you are doing so many times, the food savings gets lost.

Saving trainers heroes is nice, but those are more slots I lose. If I save ten trainers, that leaves me with 40 open slots which means 30 times collecting from camps instead of 25 times. Which means clicking on Layla 20% more and Sigrunn 20% more and Ragnhild 20% more.

My new methods:

Sort by power

Use top 10 highest power heroes to level

repeat until empty

get more heroes

Because you sort by power, the new heroes always go to the bottom.

Because you are using all the heroes, you do not need to waste time scrolling to the bottom, paying attention to colors, etc.

Trainers and tokens

@gregschen

Save up silver summon tokens. No sense adding heroes to your roster before you’re ready to feed them away.

Edit:

The problem with saving tokens for future Hero XP is claiming them takes forever since you must do a server call each time. Never again.

I saved 151 silver Daily summons tokens for leveling heroes from Sand Empire/ Ranvir ( no Ranvir 2x Hisan ) and it took forever. Though Hisan did enjoy the Carver and Brienne I summoned.

Now I use silver Daily summons tokens and Trainer heroes when I get them.

And save heroes in Extra low cost training instead.

Food Budget

Food required

@Gryphonknight

Extra Low cost

With my remaining 3 camps, I run Extra low cost training. I can switch one of the Extra low cost training to Extra Fast.

Using 3x Extra low cost ( RT11 ) camps allows you to level 12.04 5* 4.80 per year ( see notes ).

Using Extra low cost to level 12.04 heroes from 5* 1.1 teams to 5* 4.80 requires 199.37m food.

489.1m food -199.37m from leveling 12.04 heroes to 5* 4.80

=289.73m remaining food

Hoarding food for Extra fast

@Gryphonknight

|Name|Level|Recruits|Food|Nx Extra Fast|Food Remaining|

| — | — | — | — | — | — |

|Guaranteed rare|12|45|164k|22.5|+40.25k|

|Elite|13|70|265k|35|+72.5k|

|Legendary|20|100|297k|50|+22k|

Yearly food needed to use Extra fast training ( pre Atlantis Rising so Advanced Farm might be a good idea )

@Gryphonknight

Rugged Clothes adjustment

27,494 world energy * 0.182 Rugged clothes in 1.8-7 ( @BarryWuzHere has an awesome spread sheet ) = 5,003 Rugged Clothes

5,003 Rugged Clothes * 2 recruits = 10,000 Recruits

37,954.8 recruits ( see above ) - 10,000 recruits =

( 27,954.8 / 4,533 recruits per 5* 4.80 hero ) * 34.6m food per hero = 213m left over food for troops and battle items

Preloading

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@Gryphonknight

Academy goes in the corner

@Gryphonknight

Preloading

I am preloading HA08 with 30x days of training

I moved my Academy to a remote corner of my base so I do not accidentally collect before the update

Notes

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Corner Academy

Vacation/ Rage quit base

( [Photo] Base, Vacation ready/ Rage quit ready )

Heavily loaded camps

Camp A

Edit: Camp A has 1.01 years of untouched RT11 ready to collect after I power leveled some 5* heroes and some 4* costumes

Camp B

Edit: Camp B has a 17.1215 m food hoard that consumes 1x 1* ascension item, 82 k food, and 22.5 recruits per day

Camp C

Edit: Camp C has 2.79 years of untouched RT11 ready to collect

See also

@Gryphonknight

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Roster management is very poor since designed for 1x every 5* HotM

With costume meta, hopefully ZS does something about it ( Renaming heroes/ duplicates would be a good first start )

Until then I recommend the following 5x teams

Team slot A

Name= Feed 2* / Rainbow 2

Heroes being leveled with same / matching color, 2* 1.1, or higher, heroes

Until 4* / 5* heroes, Rainbow team 2 for basic color stacking

May, or may not, be leveling

Team slot B

Name= Feed 1* / Rainbow 1

Heroes being leveled with same / matching color, 1* 1.1 heroes, especially 4* / 5* costumes

Until 4* / 5* heroes, especially 4* / 5* costumes, Rainbow team 1

May, or may not, be leveling

Team slot C

Name= R.Def

Raid Defense team

Team slot D

Name= Map / Quest / PvE

Monster / Map / Quest / PvE team

Team slot E

Name= Titan

Titan team

PvP

When you start raiding, I recommend spending 100 gems and getting a sixth team slot

My six teams

Feed 2* / Rainbow 2 ( nice having Feed teams at beginning )

Feed 1* / Rainbow 1

R.Def

R.Att 1

Map / Quest / PvE

Titan ( nice having Titan team at end )

First raid attack team

Name= R.Att 1 / Raid 1

First raid attack team, later may get another slot for second raid attack team

PS ZS, we need more team slots and better roster GUI

Notes

Leveling heroes

@Gryphonknight

Discussions about leveling heroes ( 3* Heroes will change, for the better, in an upcoming update )

( [Links, Links, Links] Discussions about leveling heroes- Updated 2018-Jun-06 )

See also

@Gryphonknight

Notes

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Bookmarks

([Tip] Searching your forum bookmarks, pinned topics, categories, other users, etc. OR Useful search modifiers- Updated)

Pins

(Any thoughts on better organization for Forum Categories & Pinned Posts? - #13 by Gryphonknight)

Links

See also

Some of the below are out of date

First 4* team

@Gryphonknight

First 4* team

Part 2 ( linky, linky )

Training camps

([Repost, Training Camps] Recruit training - common training ( RT01 ) to Legendary training ( RT20 ) - Advice, Stats, and Math)

Hoarding

@Gryphonknight

Where to hoard food/ iron will always depend on your play style, micro transaction budget, roster, and options ( gems , completed buildings, researched levels, recruits, ingredients, battle items, etc. )

Research / Guides have already been published to help players decide for Training camps and hero academy ( see notes )

Has anybody posted similar for Alchemy Lab? ( my Google Fu is weak )

Farming

(Barry Farmz Here -- Comprehensive data driven farming guide for Season 3, Season 2, Season 1, Elemental Chests, Atlantis Rises, Missions, and more)

VF and AR kits / backpacks

(Valhalla Forever - Optimum Levels for Farming - #54 by Gryphonknight)

VF Gnomes and AR dragons

(Valhalla Forever - Optimum Levels for Farming - #53 by Gryphonknight)

Old link collection

([Guide] “Rage Quit and back again” or How I learned to stop worrying (about 5* s) and Love the 4* s ( told in links )[ 1- 16 months, Manual, Road map])

Wu Kong Cascade Squad, Grinder Gang, Debuff Duo

@Gryphonknight

Wu Kong Cascade Squad

([Play Style] The cascade squad or Wu Kong+ two healers- New Notes 2019-Mar )

Wu Kong Grinder Gang

(Wu Kong grinder gang or Powerful rainbow auto play team or Wu Kong plus 4 healers )

Old link collection

([Links, Links, Links ] Waiting for 5* heroes or effective use of 4* and 3* Hero teams from Legendary training- Updated 2018-Jun-03)

So many opinions

([Links, Links, Links] Discussions about leveling heroes- Updated 2018-Jun-06)

Rare chests ( still no food in them )

([Repost] Rare chest back to back and 2 rare chests at once or any chest can be rare [Reposted for smartphone users and future reference])

Troop, and hero, loot drops

([Repost] Farming 1* / 2* troops and 1* / 2* heroes [Reposted for smartphone users and future reference] Updated 2019-Nov)

Customer support

([Repost] v31+ Contacting Support [Reposted for Smartphone users and future reference])

Wilbur

([Repost] Wilbur Raid Tutorial [Reposted here for smartphone users and future reference])

Emblem economy

(Devs explanation of Emblem drops - reposted here for visibility ( and for smartphone users ))

Families / Connected / Affiliated / Group Alliances

@Gryphonknight

If you like progressing in the game, finding a good alliance family is highly recommended ( see notes )

Even if you do not join an Alliance Family, joining a good alliance can give you lots of advice tailored to your specific play style, roster, alliance and game situation that cannot be reproduced on a forum

Notes

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@Gryphonknight

Numbers

5* HotM spend depth is $ 3,972+ USD per year for 12x 5* 1.1 HotM, with special offers pricing the 3* / 4* ascension items at $1,200+ USD for 12x 5* 4.80 HotM

Total $5,172+ USD per year

Costume 5* HotM spend depth is $8,977.33+ USD to $26,932+ USD per year in Tavern ( Featured heroes 6x to 18x 5* 1.1 ), with special offers pricing the 3* / 4* ascension items at $600+ to $1,800+ USD for 6x to 18x 5* 4.80 HotM

Total $9,577.33+ to $28,731.99+ USD per year

If two copies of the hero are needed AND you missed the initial release month, that jumps to spend depth is $17,954.66+ USD to $53,864+ USD per year in Tavern ( Featured heroes 12x to 36x 5* 1.1 ), with special offers pricing the 3* / 4* ascension items at $1,200+ to $3,600+ USD for 12x to 36x 5* 4.80 HotM

Total $19,154.66+ to $57,463.98+ USD per year

This does not count emblems, and aethers

@Gryphonknight reformat when access to a keyboard

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This can be a lot to understand

Some of this advice is for Elder accounts

Highlighting this section

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

Bookmarks

([Tip] Searching your forum bookmarks )

Edit 2, As a bonus, bookmarked topics usually show up at the top of relevant forum searches even if you are not limiting your search to your forum bookmarks

Edit, Added quote about Alliance Families

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Elder Players

@Gryphonknight

Loot to get loot

Emblems

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General, Emblems

(Deciding where to spend your class emblems - Tourney update 2019-Mar [Math, Analysis])

Classic 4* heroes, emblems

(Classic 4* heroes and emblems or Gryphonknight's emblem spending plan EXPOSED)

Costumes

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Leveling Costumes

([Guide,Leveling] Always level the costume outfit first or partially leveled base hero or leveling a X* b1.1 base hero with a X* c1.1 costume outfit)

Color stacking, Costumes

([Incomplete, Draft] Costumes, color stacking, war, and 4* 3.60 / 5* 3.70 heroes)

Class nodes, Costumes

(Emblem paths solved - #13 by Gryphonknight)

Aethers

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Work in Progress

(Deciding where to spend your class emblems - Tourney update 2019-Mar [Math, Analysis] - #101 by Gryphonknight)

Lodge

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@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

Iron sink

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Currently I am using excess iron to create harpoons

Per 1* crafting ingredient, used to make harpoons,

Damage to target 107
Attack - 2.85 % / - 3.57 %,
Defense - 0 % / - 4.28 %,
for 0.8571 turns

and

13.5 k iron consumed

Harpoons!!!

(The Great Yellow Whale ( apologies to Herman Melville ) or Harpooning Vivica in Trials of Fortitude and Friar Tuck in Trials of Piety)

([Warning!, Tip, Danger!] Drunken Santa ( apologies to the Irish Rovers ) or Battle item targeting and harpoons in Santa’s Challenge)

([Tip] One trick titans absolutely hate or Harpoon vs. titan vs. STUNNED titan or Hidden information about harpoons)

Titan parts

([Play style] Using titan parts and 5* battle items)

Academy

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HA08 Epic heroes

(🤓 Hero Academy! FAQ, Links, Guides and Discussion - #624 by Gryphonknight)

Troop training, Academy

(🤺 Using Hero Academy as a Troop Training Camp)

Iron hoard, Academy

([Hoarde, Iron] Less than optimal iron storage or Zero, er, Hero Academy level 6 Rare troop training ( HA6 ))

Food hoard, Academy

@Gryphonknight

Hoarding resources, Hero Academy

([Math] Hoarding resources in Training camps versus Hero Academy )

Building the Academy

(I have started Hero Academy-10, Have you? - #31 by Gryphonknight)

Barracks

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X* Level 01 Troops

Keeping 5x every type of troop

(2 star troops for 3 star tournaments - #13 by Gryphonknight)

Crit Troops

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@Gryphonknight

Lv01 Crit Troops

@The_Seeker

my crit troops are still at level 1

Even a 4* Lv01 Crit Troop gives Wu Kong +4% HP

Even a 4* Lv01 Crit Troop gives Wu Kong +16% defense versus a 4* Lv30 Mana Troop’s +18%

Lv06 Crit Troop

If I Remember Correctly, troop bonuses are not base bonuses ( only uses heroes base stats ) but instead very powerful, meta bonuses ( after emblems, costume, limit breakers, etc. )

So leveling your 4* crit troops to Lv06 ( +18% defense, +5% HP ) for any color that you have a 4* / 5* titan multiplier, might be a good investment

Lv17 Crit Troops

Personally I like Crit troops better than mana ( for debate see link in notes ), but after I get Crit troops to Lv17, I switch to leveling my mana troops/ ninja troops ( see notes )

Notes

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Lv17 troops

Note: full set means each type ( mana and crit for 4* troops ) so 8x 4* troops in each color. 12x 4* Troops if they ever make Ninja troops easier to get

@Gryphonknight

4* lvl 01 and 4* lvl 17

Eventually I hope to have 3x full set of 4* lvl 01 troops and 1x full set of 4* lvl X troops.

I am considering leveling my 4* troops only to level 17 since that seems to be the half way point for the prime stat.

Example
If the prime stat is Defense, a 4* lvl 1 troop has a +16% Defense and a 4* lvl 30 troop has a +25% Defense. According to my records, a 4* lvl 17 should be +21% ( based on a lvl 13 being +20% ).

Chart

(Kerb's 4* Troop leveling chart, hurray!)

Discussion

@FrostbiteXIII

Epic (4*) Troops

There are 2 types of 4* troop - crit troops (who focus on defence and critical hit) and mana troops (focusing on attack and mana generation). The most useful will depend on the situation/hero, but is hotly contested .

Lab

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Hoard, Lab

(What are the best Alchemy Lab levels to hoard food/ iron?)

Team Slots

([Tips, Playstyle] Team Life Hacks OR With only 15 teams, Gryphonknight's Teams Exposed OR Take Two/ Zynga/ SGG add more teams and fix roster management)

Alliance play styles

@Gryphonknight

alliance

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Math

Decent first draft

Click for Math

Base Building

Click for Base building

Recommended Build order v2.0

Still under construction

( [Guide, Camps, Roster] What camps to run, and for how long, often depends on your roster - #9 by Gryphonknight )

Recommended Build order v1.0

( Build Order - #8 by Gryphonknight )

RT20 minimum buildings

( [Analysis, Math] Minimum buildings for Training Camp 20- Updated 2019-Jun )

Watchtower

( Myth or facts – is there any truth in you should not upgrade your Watchtower (WT) past levels 10-12? - #12 by Gryphonknight )

Leveling Tricks

Leveling Trick, Zero Loot Tickets

( [Algebra, Math, Stubborn] WE flask leveling or Max troops & heroes)

Leveling Trick, Using Loot Tickets

( [New Feature, Wiki] Loot tickets- how to activate, collecting, uses- save world energy- Updated 2018-May-29 - #18 by Gryphonknight)

Gem continues

([Math] Gem continues - Advice, stats, and math [More math, Math Apocalypse])

Loot

Tournament Emblems

Not sure if up to date

([Math] Tourney Prizes- Emblems and Ascension items [Analysis])

Hero XP

Click for Hero XP links

Training camps

([Repost, Training Camps] Recruit training - common training ( RT01 ) to Legendary training ( RT20 ) - Advice, Stats, and Math)

Hoarding Camps versus Academy

Does not include ascension items consumed ( I should add that to the project list )

([Math] Hoarding resources in Training camps versus Hero Academy)

HA03 vs RT02 vs RT19

([Math] Uncommon academy ( HA03 ) versus Uncommon camp ( RT02 ) and Extra Fast camp ( RT19 ))

Generic Food Comparison 3* vs 4* vs 5*

([Reference, Math] Food costs when Leveling 3* / 4* / 5* heroes [generic food comparison])

Food calculator

( Improved Hero Level Calculator )

1x to 4x RT11

([Research Math] Comparison of 1- 4 Extra low cost training [more math, some more math, Math Apocalypse])

Hoard 1* ascension items

I think this is pre Alchemy Lab v2.0

( [Discussion] Using item Hoards, Rugged clothes and Adventurer's kits, to level 3* / 4* / 5* heroes )

RT11 vs RT19 vs RT02 vs RT01

([Research Math] Comparison ingredients needed for 2 hours of Extra low cost, Extra fast, uncommon and common [more math, some more math, Math Apocalypse])

( RT12 vs RT13 vs RT20 ) >> RT19

([Math, Notes] Food remaining from Extra Fast training ( RT19 ) when hoarding food in Guaranteed Rare, Elite or Legendary ( Answer 22k+ ) [ More Math ])

RT20 >> RT19

useful for quick 1* heroes for leveling costumes but costly in food

([Math, Guesstimate] Using Extra Fast training ( RT19 ) to use up extra food with Legendary training ( RT20 ) acting as a buffer to simplify the math required [More Math, Math Apocalypse])

WE needed for camps, 2.1-10 vs 1.7-7

([Research Math] Comparing World Energy ( recruits ) needed for training camps = s2-1-10 vs s1-7-7 and Random color vs same color [more Math, some more Math, Math Apocalypse])

Advanced color training versus Extra Fast

( [Math] Advanced color training versus Extra Fast)

Old yearly food budget

Advanced Buildings and Map Season Monthly Events ( AR, VF, UD, etc. ) mess it up

But interesting look at old food meta

( [Play style] Yearly budget of Food, Recruits and world energy when running Legendary training, 2x Extra low cost and switching between Extra low cost and Extra fast)

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Hero stat comparison

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[Math] 4* 4.70 > 5* 3.70 > 4* 3.60 > 5* 2.60 > 3* 3.50 ( base stats and special skills ) or Comparison of Partially leveled heroes by rarity [More Math]

([Math] 4* 4.70 > 5* 3.70 > 4* 3.60 > 5* 2.60 > 3* 3.50 ( base stats and special skills ) or Comparison of Partially leveled heroes by rarity [More Math])

[Raw Data] Strongest Heroes with farmable ascension materials 3*, 4* or 5* [Analysis, Math]

( [Raw Data] Strongest heroes with farmable ascension materials 3*, 4*, or 5* [Analysis, Math] )

[Play Style] +Skill Roll for heroes with ONLY farmable ascension materials [Analysis, Math]

( [Play Style] +skill roll for heroes with ONLY farmable ascension materials [Analysis, Math]- Update 4-12)

Emblems

Including data from very good friend in Beta program

(Deciding where to spend your class emblems - Tourney update 2019-Mar [Math, Analysis])

Emblem cost calculator

( E&P Emblem Cost Calculator )

HP vs DEF nodes

( "How better" is +18 DEF than +36 Health right now? In what cases it's resonable to go for the HP instead? - #9 by Gryphonknight)

[Stats, Curves] 5*+20, attack stat soft cap, general game design soft cap, hard cap and overwriting buffs [Math]

([Stats, Curves] 5*+20, attack stat soft cap, general game design soft cap, hard cap and overwriting buffs [Math])

This seemed important at the time or tanking Delilah

( Classes and the defense meta - #223 by Garanwyn)

True Levels

( [Research Math] True level of heroes & Total XP - Update 4-13)

CP calculation

( CP Calculation - #28 by Graknork)

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Raid Revenge math

Post also includes a LOT of raid related links

(Revenging against a much higher/ much lower trophy opponent or Encouraging attacking higher rated opponents to increase trophies or Elo's math)

Advanced House and farming kits / backpacks

([Math, Farming] Kit/ backpacks per day versus Advanced House Level 9 [More math, Math Apocalypse])

Harpoon crafting in Hours of mine production

([Math] Harpoon production, watchtowers, mines and farms [More Math, Do you find math fun?])

Loot Box pricing

([Math, Transparency] Loot box unit pricing explained - Update Gems & HotM added)

Loot Box pricing, Tavern

([Math] Gravemaker cost or Tavern of Legends v2.0 Loot box unit pricing 2021 to 2023)

Buff + Buff = Debuff ?!?

([Math] Gambler's Stance and Martial Prowess ( and Mystic's Virtue )- Update with Zimkitha and Mother North)

See also

(Search results for '@Gryphonknight math in:title ' - Empires & Puzzles Community Forum)

less useful

( Search results for '@Gryphonknight math ' - Empires & Puzzles Community Forum )

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Polls ( with handy skip to next reply in topic )

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Poll

• I clicked all the

• I clicked most of the

• I clicked some of the

• I clicked none of the

• How many Gorram Frakking are there!?!

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What was the most surprising ?

What was the least surprising ?

What was your favorite ?

What was your least favorite ?

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• I clicked all the

• I clicked most of the

• I clicked some of the

• I clicked none of the

• How many Gorram Frakking are there!?!

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What was the most surprising ?

What was the least surprising ?

What was your favorite ?

What was your least favorite ?

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Poll

• I Learned lots of new stuff

• I Learned much new stuff

• I Learned some new stuff

• I Learned no new stuff

• How much Gorram Frakking stuff is there!?!

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What was the most surprising new stuff?

What was the least surprising new stuff?

What was your favorite new stuff?

What was your least favorite new stuff?

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• I agree with lots of this stuff

• I agree with much of this stuff

• I agree with some of this stuff

• I agree with none of this stuff

• How much Gorram Frakking stuff to agree with is there!?!

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What was the least surprising agreement?

What was your favorite agreement?

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• I shared lots of this stuff with my Empires friends

• I shared much of this stuff with my Empires friends

• I shared some of this stuff with my Empires friends

• I shared none of this stuff with my Empires friends

• How much Gorram Frakking stuff to share with my Empire friends is there!?!

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What was the least surprising stuff shared with your Empire friends?

What was your favorite stuff shared with your Empire friends?

What was your least favorite stuff shared with your Empire friends?

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• I had lots of fun

• I had much fun

• I had some fun

• I had no fun

• How much Gorram Frakking fun is there!?!

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What was the least surprising fun stuff?

What was your favorite fun stuff?

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• Keep going on forever

• Keep going on until the heat death of the universe

• Keep going on until the Galaxy is destroyed

• Keep going on until the Solar System is destroyed

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• How much Gorram Frakking stuff is there to destroy!?!

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Notes

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Rigard, and Melendor, together they fight crime

(Rigard and Melendor ( together they fight crime) for 3-1-1 raiding or rainbow raiding)

Wu Kong

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

Wu Kong Grinder gang v1 & v2

(Wu Kong grinder gang or Powerful rainbow auto play team or Wu Kong plus 4 healers)

Wu Kong Cascade Squad

([Play Style] The cascade squad or Wu Kong+ two healers- New Notes 2019-Mar)

Wu Kong Debuff Duo

(Wu Kong Debuff Duo or Smart Probability or Two Defense Down heroes with Wu Kong)

This gets quoted a lot
Terms
Wu Kong
Rigard
Melendor

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[Gryphonknight]

@Gryphonknight

Notes

Click for notes

Troops

My 2017-Sep account does not use Barracks anymore ( see below )

But My teeny account has not unlocked guaranteed rare recruit training ( RT12 ) to hoard food, and does not have enough resources to use food other ways, so food keeps piling up

Barracks, and Lv2+ troops, are a way to burn food

Troops

@Gryphonknight

Click for notes

Troops

In my opinion, Epic troop tokens from loot drops ( summon 3* Lv01 / 4* Lv01 troops ) are more important than the Barracks building ( leveling troops to Lv02+ )

Since 2* / 3* / 4* Lv01 troops already give you lots of good variety if you have 5x each type of troop ( looking at you 4* Lv01 crit/ ninja/ mana troops )

Click for troops post

@Gryphonknight

2* / 3* / 4* Lv01 troops

@sft1965

little conservative, but have kept 5 duplicates of everything, lvl 2 and above

I agree

I love 2* / 3* / 4* Lv01 troops

Unlike heroes, you can have infinite 2* / 3* / 4* Lv01 troops

Food

Since SGG has dramatically increased uses for food, I stopped leveling any troops

Advanced color stacking

For color stacking, the type of troop can be more important than its level ( see notes )

2* Mana troop

I wish we had 2* mana troops ( see notes )

Notes

Click for notes

2* Mana troop

@Gryphonknight

Adding Mana bonus 2* troops would benefit all heroes with costumes and classes.

Suggested stats

2* level 15 troop

Attack +10 Defense +10 Mana +15

General troop power

@Gryphonknight

In general, a 3* lvl 3 troop is better than a maxed 2* lvl 15 troop and a 4* lvl 1 troops is better than a 3* lvl 9 troop

Advanced color stacking, Troops

@Gryphonknight

RNG stat troops

Crit troops can be tricky when color stacking since it involves RNG.

Barracks

Original troops were all Lv01 / no level

Later SGG added Barrack as a way to increase spend depth

This gets quoted a lot
Terms
Barracks
Troops

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[Gryphonknight]

MMO damage math

@From another disscusion

Welcome to MMO math are +100% can mean

220% + 100% = 320% ( Special skill )

220% + 100% = 440% ( normal damage / tile damage / matching damage )

220% + 100% = X * 2 ( normal damage / tile damage / matching damage with a critical hit or strong damage )

@Gryphonknight

Note s

Click for notes

Basic Color Stacking

@Gryphonknight

Basic color stacking

Click for basic color stacking

@Gryphonknight

==Double strong color, no weak color, teams==

Now that you have two rainbow teams ( one 3* 3.50 and one 4* 3.60 ) you can create double strong color, no weak color teams.

If you are attacking a Green Boss, then Red heroes are better because they are strong against green, so Green bosses takes double damage. The opposite is true of Blue heroes. Blue heroes cause half damage to a Green boss. The other colors ( Green, Purple & Yellow ) do neutral damage or no increase or decrease in damage.

When attacking a Green boss, remove your BLUE 4* 3.60 hero ( half damage against Green ) from your rainbow 4* 3.60 team, and replace it with your RED 3* 3.50 hero ( double damage against Green ) for a double red, no blue team.

You will do 1 HP of damage with blue matches/ board damage, since you are missing a Blue hero. But your two Red heroes will do double damage. Even if your Red 3* 3.50 hero dies against a Green boss, twice its attack stat will still be added when doing matching/ board/ physical damage.

==Weird color teams==

Other teams:

triple strong color,

quadruple strong color,

double neutral color,

double neutral three color teams and

single color teams.

Once you have more experience with rainbow teams and double strong color, no weak color teams, you can learn more about these weird alternatives.

==Elemental shields or Reflect color enemies==

When you fight an enemy with an elemental shield, it is weak to a color, strong to a color and REFLECTS a color. Example: A Reflect green boss takes double damage from Red heroes, half damage from Blue heroes, and reflects all damage from Green heroes back to that hero. So a triple red, no blue, no green team OR a double red, double yellow/ double purple, no blue no green team works better than a rainbow team. Example you can remove your Blue 4* 3.60 and Green 4* 3.60 heroes and replace them with one Red 3* 3.50 hero and one Purple/ Yellow 3* 3.50 hero.

So having a rainbow 3* 3.50 and a rainbow 4* 3.60 lets you take on Reflect color enemies until you level up a second rainbow 3* 3.50, second rainbow 4* 3.60, etc.

Advanced color stacking

With the damage formula unknown, players only have a partial understanding of advanced color stacking. Mostly complicated by the attack stat soft cap.

([Research] Does Color Stacking have a soft cap? or Attack stat research)

See also

Advanced color stacking, Troops

(What happens in a red color stack when Marjana is blinded, Ares has a crit buff and Gravemaker has 30% wound? OR Color stacking and RNG ( buffs, debuffs and talents ))

This gets quoted a lot
Terms
Color Stacking
Advanced Color Stacking
Advanced Color Stacking, Troops

Click for notes

Damage Over Time

(Understanding DoT (Damage over Time))

Critical hit

(Critical Damage - A Short Guide to Understanding)

Counter attack / reflect

([Details, Lodge] Invisibility potion or what does it do? - #23 by Gryphonknight)

Tinted damage

(What Is Elemental Damage? - A Guide to Elements - #61 by Gryphonknight)

Buffs, Debuffs / ailments, Stacks, Innate abilities, Resistances

(📑 Updated Status Effects (Buffs and Ailments), Stacks, Innate Abilities and Resistances)

Meta effects

(https://forum.smallgiantgames.com/t/solved-v35-possible-bug-with-gullinbursti-vs-guardians-of-teltoc-yellow-shields-or-ursena/215181/21?u=gryphonknight)

Defense teams

([Primer] Defense AI Cheats or why computer gets first move, trickle mana & bonus damage and how to exploit/ defend against it for more trophies)

Damage calculation

(Damage Calculation)

Stat curves and caps

([Stats, Curves] 5*+20, attack stat soft cap, general game design soft cap, hard cap and overwriting buffs [Math])

This gets quoted a lot
Terms
Damage Over Time
Critical hit
Counter attack/ reflect
Tinted damage
Buffs, Debuffs / ailments, Stacks, Innate abilities, Resistances
Meta effects
Defense teams
Damage calculation
Stat curves and caps

Defense team attack bonus equation v39 ( edit )

Click for notes

@Dannyoh31

If this is the case, then it implies the old 20% bonus would apply on a final attack of around 750 and a 10% bonus at around an attack of 1250.

skip

Since this is a graphic, for copying purposes

If X < 750 then 1.2 * Attack stat

If X > 1250 then 1.1 * Attack stat

If 750 < X < 1250 then

( 1 + ( 0.3655 - 0.0002x ) ) * Attack stat

Check

( 750 + 1250 ) / 2 = 1000

1+ ( 0.3655 - 0.2 ) = 1.1655 ( close to 1.15 )

Defense team defense bonus equation

Defense bonus is unknown ( if I ever win the lottery I am buying a current desktop computer and data mining the client software for the damage formula )

But working hypothesis is Attack, and Defense, bonus remains equal to each other as pre v39

Terms
Raid defense team attack bonus
Alliance War defense team attack bonus
Tournament defense team attack bonus
War of Three Kingdoms defense team attack bonus
W3K defense team attack bonus

Raid defense team defense bonus
Alliance War defense team defense bonus
Tournament defense team defense bonus
War of Three Kingdoms defense team defense bonus
W3K defense team defense bonus

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[Gryphonknight]

Chests

Wanted Mission chests AKA chests

Click for notes

Raid chest

Wanted Heroes Mission chest AKA raid chest

As a general rule of thumb, open your raid chest in the highest arena you can get into, preferably gold, or higher ( see notes )

Titan loot

As a general rule, try to get Titan loot tier 9+ ( see notes )

Storage

For maximum food, and iron, from all chests, get your food storage, and iron storage, to maximum ( see notes )

Titan chests

Wanted Titans Mission chest AKA titan chest

As Far As We Know, all titan chests are equal, so defeating 1x Titan every day maximizes the Titan chest and chance of a rare chest

Rare chest

Wanted Elemental Mission chests AKA rare chests have an equal chance to spawn in place of Monster, Raid and Titan chests ( see notes )

To fill/ farm an specific elemental/ color monsters for a rare chest, see notes

No food in rare chest

Rare chests do not give food or iron

([Suggestion] Add HUGE amounts of iron and food to Rare Wanted Elemental Chests)

Monster chest

Wanted Monster Mission chest AKA monster chest

As Far As We Know, all monster chests are equal

Stage 1.7-3

With 6 World Energy per hour, filling the monster chest should not be a problem

But Season 1, Province 7, Stage 3 ( 1.7-3 ) has a huge number of monsters per World Energy for filling the monster chest

Most monsters in 1.7-3 are purple/ dark so also good for filling a purple/ dark rare chest

Skipping chests

You can spend gems to skip chests ( see notes )

Skipping Titan chests

You cannot skip titan chests

Skipping Monster chests

The only time I recommend skipping wait on Wanted Monster Mission Chest ( AKA monster chest ) is before Legendary training, before three rainbow 4* 3.60 teams, or if you REALLY need food or iron.

Skipping Raid chests

The only time I recommend skipping wait on Wanted Hero Mission Chest ( AKA raid chest ) is

You monthly budget can afford it,

You can open in Platinum, or Diamond,

You have maximum food storage, and maximum iron storage,

You need food and/ or iron and/ or 3*
ascension items ( farmable/ non farmable )

and you have all 15x allowed teams, at least 2x pins ( for pin codes ), and 15x to 45x empty hero roster slots for collecting training camps

PS ZS, fix this:

([Suggestion,QoL] Change 1* 1.1 / 2* 1.1 heroes into 1* 1.1 / 2* 1.1 Trainer heroes, zero roster space for trainer heroes and EHT on level up or update Camps, and Level up, for all/new players [Catch up mechanic])

Notes

Click for notes

3* / 4* ascension items

Raid chest

@Gryphonknight

Higher Raid Arenas ( Platinium and Gold ) have an increased chance for high-level ascension materials

Titan loot

@Gryphonknight

Wanted Mission rewards and high-level Titan loot has a chance to give out any high-level ascension material

Titan loot tier 9+

@Guvnor

Ascension Materials

Gold, or higher, raid chest

@Gryphonknight

@Scrutator

I’m at the upper end of the platinum league, I always enter the diamond league for a short time and get kicked out again

Opening a gold, or higher, chest gives you better chance at good loot .

The only time I recommend skipping wait on Wanted Monster Mission Chest is before Legendary training, before three rainbow 4* 3.60 teams, or if you REALLY need food or iron.

Notes

@Gryphonknight

Higher Raid Arenas ( Platinium and Gold ) have an increased chance for high-level ascension materials

@Gryphonknight

But it’s GLOWING

You can fill a Wanted Hero Mission Chest and leave it unopened until you are in Diamond. Just because it is full, does not mean you have to open it.

Especially with twenty Tourney energy per week, this is often the least expensive option.

Link

Storage and Chests ( linky, linky)

Storage and chests

@Gryphonknight

@Revelate

Yeah, to firm this up I did eventually get my alt to level 20 storages and then suddenly both of my accounts were getting functionally identical ham values from raid chests and all other rolls incidentally (titans, monster chests, etc. though I didn’t track this as zealously).

Moral of the story, eat your Wheaties aka level your storages… especially these days.

link

link

link

link

Rare chest ( Wanted Elemental Mission chest )

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

Rare chests ( still no food in them )

([Repost] Rare chest back to back and 2 rare chests at once or any chest can be rare [Reposted for smartphone users and future reference])

Farming Rare chests

For many farming questions, including filling rare chests, see Barry’s spreadsheet

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

Farming

(Barry Farmz Here – Comprehensive data driven farming guide for Season 3, Season 2, Season 1, Elemental Chests, Atlantis Rises, Missions, and more)

Skipping chests

@CheTranqui

For those interested, here are the details on skipping chests for Wanted Missions:

Fandom Wiki: Wanted Missions

In my understanding from discussions with other players, the skipping usually occurs in the final few hours so that it only costs a few gems, but makes knocking out a 2nd, or 3rd chest in one day possible.

Gem costs

@Dorkus

Here is a small chart of when wanted mission skip cost decreases are for <10 gems:

5:40- 9

5:05-8

4:29-7

3:53-6

3:17-5

2:41 -4

2:05-3

1:29-2

0:53- 1

Pin codes

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

I use pins to remind me

Example

On one of my family’s accounts, when they clear all important quests/ events, they equip the sunglasses pin

When they are waiting on WE, for an important quest/ event, they unequip the pin

Similar to Avatar reminders

([Photos, Tip] Keeping track of Seasonal event / Challenge event progress using my avatar )

This gets quoted a lot

Terms

Raid chest
Titan loot
Storage
Titan chests
Rare chest
Monster chest
Stage 1.7-3
Skipping chests

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

Guides

I love anything that lists enemy HP!

({Master - Zartanis' Guides} Building, Crafting, Event, Talent Grid Guides, etc)

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

Loot

Click for notes

Loot rolls

Currently using

(Interesting Discovery re: Map Loot- Loot rolls for ascension items and ingredients)

Recruits

Recruits ( except AR ) are always N-1, N, N+1 where N is set by Devs per stage

During AR it is INT ( ( N-1 ) * 1.5 ), INT ( ( N ) * 1.5 ), INT ( ( N-1 ) * 1.5 ) where N is set by Devs per stage but only on Atlantis map

Mobs

Mob waves are 1x color, or 2x color, RNG picks color for each individual mob, possible colors set by Devs per stage

Mob wave size ( number of mobs ) is is X, or Y, RNG picks, X & Y set by Devs per stage

Troops

Any 3 WE stage in Map Season 1 or AR or VF or UD

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

@Gryphonknight

Troop, and hero, loot drops

([Repost] Farming 1* / 2* troops and 1* / 2* heroes [Reposted for smartphone users and future reference] Updated 2019-Nov )

Max troop, and hero, drops

Normally maximum of 2 troops, or heroes, per manual play of a stage / auto play of a stage / loot ticket used

@BarryWuzHere

Odds of pulling troops are significantly lower than pulling heroes so you will see the max much more often with heroes, and generally more often in higher levels on the map for heroes.

@BarryWuzHere

Some stages never produce troops.

@BarryWuzHere

Max per run is two of each normally, three of each during AR.

This gets quoted not enough
Terms
Loot rolls
Recruits
Mobs
Troops
Maximum Troops
Maximum Heroes
Maximum AR Troops
Maximum AR Heroes

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[Gryphonknight]

Raiding

Click for notes

Basic Tactics

([Trophy Tactics] "Waffle, "Drop", "Slow Climb" and "Hover" or tactics for deliberately changing trophies)

Basic Strategies

([Trophy Strategies] Hold, Bait, 2nd, Crop, Max, & Bacon or strategies for attempting to influence your trophies)

@Gryphonknight

Raid Tactics and Strategies

Attacker has the advantage

(Raids are unfair, but not for the reasons you think )

Multiple part series

( Raiding in the Top 1000, Pt. 1 )

Old post

( [Primer] Defense AI Cheats or why computer gets first move, trickle mana & bonus damage and how to exploit/ defend against it for more trophies )

Tile damage versus special skill versus computer attacks

(What Is Elemental Damage? - A Guide to Elements )

MMO math

@Gryphonknight

MMO damage math

@From another disscusion

Welcome to MMO math are +100% can mean

220% + 100% = 320% ( Special skill )

220% + 100% = 440% ( normal damage / tile damage / matching damage )

220% + 100% = X * 2 ( normal damage / tile damage / matching damage with a critical hit or strong damage )

@Gryphonknight

Note s

Click for notes

Basic Color Stacking

@Gryphonknight

Basic color stacking

Click for basic color stacking

@Gryphonknight

==Double strong color, no weak color, teams==

Now that you have two rainbow teams ( one 3* 3.50 and one 4* 3.60 ) you can create double strong color, no weak color teams.

If you are attacking a Green Boss, then Red heroes are better because they are strong against green, so Green bosses takes double damage. The opposite is true of Blue heroes. Blue heroes cause half damage to a Green boss. The other colors ( Green, Purple & Yellow ) do neutral damage or no increase or decrease in damage.

When attacking a Green boss, remove your BLUE 4* 3.60 hero ( half damage against Green ) from your rainbow 4* 3.60 team, and replace it with your RED 3* 3.50 hero ( double damage against Green ) for a double red, no blue team.

You will do 1 HP of damage with blue matches/ board damage, since you are missing a Blue hero. But your two Red heroes will do double damage. Even if your Red 3* 3.50 hero dies against a Green boss, twice its attack stat will still be added when doing matching/ board/ physical damage.

==Weird color teams==

Other teams:

triple strong color,

quadruple strong color,

double neutral color,

double neutral three color teams and

single color teams.

Once you have more experience with rainbow teams and double strong color, no weak color teams, you can learn more about these weird alternatives.

==Elemental shields or Reflect color enemies==

When you fight an enemy with an elemental shield, it is weak to a color, strong to a color and REFLECTS a color. Example: A Reflect green boss takes double damage from Red heroes, half damage from Blue heroes, and reflects all damage from Green heroes back to that hero. So a triple red, no blue, no green team OR a double red, double yellow/ double purple, no blue no green team works better than a rainbow team. Example you can remove your Blue 4* 3.60 and Green 4* 3.60 heroes and replace them with one Red 3* 3.50 hero and one Purple/ Yellow 3* 3.50 hero.

So having a rainbow 3* 3.50 and a rainbow 4* 3.60 lets you take on Reflect color enemies until you level up a second rainbow 3* 3.50, second rainbow 4* 3.60, etc.

Advanced color stacking

With the damage formula unknown, players only have a partial understanding of advanced color stacking. Mostly complicated by the attack stat soft cap.

([Research] Does Color Stacking have a soft cap? or Attack stat research)

See also

Advanced color stacking, Troops

(What happens in a red color stack when Marjana is blinded, Ares has a crit buff and Gravemaker has 30% wound? OR Color stacking and RNG ( buffs, debuffs and talents ))

This gets quoted a lot

Terms

Color Stacking

Advanced Color Stacking

Advanced Color Stacking, Troops

Click for notes

Damage Over Time

(Understanding DoT (Damage over Time))

Critical hit

(Critical Damage - A Short Guide to Understanding)

Counter attack / reflect

([Details, Lodge] Invisibility potion or what does it do? - #23 by Gryphonknight)

Tinted damage

(What Is Elemental Damage? - A Guide to Elements - #61 by Gryphonknight)

Buffs, Debuffs / ailments, Stacks, Innate abilities, Resistances

(📑 Updated Status Effects (Buffs and Ailments), Stacks, Innate Abilities and Resistances)

Meta effects

(https://forum.smallgiantgames.com/t/solved-v35-possible-bug-with-gullinbursti-vs-guardians-of-teltoc-yellow-shields-or-ursena/215181/21?u=gryphonknight)

Defense teams

([Primer] Defense AI Cheats or why computer gets first move, trickle mana & bonus damage and how to exploit/ defend against it for more trophies)

Damage calculation

(Damage Calculation)

Stat curves and caps

([Stats, Curves] 5*+20, attack stat soft cap, general game design soft cap, hard cap and overwriting buffs [Math])

This gets quoted a lot

Terms

Damage Over Time

Critical hit

Counter attack/ reflect

Tinted damage

Buffs, Debuffs / ailments, Stacks, Innate abilities, Resistances

Meta effects

Defense teams

Damage calculation

Stat curves and caps

FIN

Trophies / Cups

Raid Revenge

(Revenging against a much higher/ much lower trophy opponent or Encouraging attacking higher rated opponents to increase trophies or Elo's math)

Math, More Math, Math Apocalypse

@Gryphonknight

Elo’s Math

How defense teams and trophies work

( [Primer] How defense teams effect your rating or a new game show The World’s Bloodiest Spelling Bee - Updated with Raid/ War/ Tourney comparison )

Alliances and Trophies

( [FAQ] What contributes to trophy inflation in top alliances? How do Zombie accounts effect trophies? How do you gain trophies? What happens with trophy dropping? ( includes Giraffe/ Human hybrid example ) )

Source of Trophies

( [Primer] Basic explanation of Trophies or Where do Trophies come from and why do I lose them? )

Current K-Factor= 61

Terms
This is hard, but comes up a lot
Raid Tactics and Strategies
Trophies / Cups
Raid Revenge
Elo’s Math
How defense teams and trophies work
Alliances and Trophies
Source of Trophies

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

Latest edit

@Gryphonknight

Defense team attack bonus equation v39 ( edit )

20 characters quoted Defense team bonus

[Luna]

I love your posts @Gryphonknight

(I don’t get them at times but that’s just me - as I am a minion- and it will take time- I’m trying my best)

But it looked like you were talking to yourself in this thread so I just stopped by to say hello!
(Hope you don’t mind)

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

@Luna

talking to yourself in this thread so I just stopped to say hello!

Hi!

[Luna]

I love and everything that’s green

So spot on!

[Gryphonknight]

Spend depth

Spend Depth is about Time more than Money

Spend depth is about Engagement, Limited availability, Artificial Time locks, Merciless RNG, Bundles, Behavioral science, Monetary Speed Ups and Monetary short cuts

Click for notes

Roster Management

([Guide, 5* Duplicates] How Academy, and Costumes v5.0, changed the 4* / 5* hero inventory or Gryphonknight's General rules for 4* / 5* inventory management [Empires v43])

HA10 5* retraining combined odds

(🧪 Early Information on Soul Exchange [Part of The Beta Beat V45] - #39 by Gryphonknight)

Soul Exchange Total Costs ( USD, Days, Food, Recruits )

(🧪 Early Information on Soul Exchange [Part of The Beta Beat V45] - #27 by Gryphonknight)

Choke points

(Will SG changing summon's ODDs, REALLy make any significant "QoL" difference ?! - #3 by Gryphonknight)

Freemium and Small teams

(No spend trap OR past 5* HotM, small team, alliances and Valor points OR why SGG ignores most suggestions)

Whale, Whale+, Whale++ numbers

@Gryphonknight

P2W

Whale++

Gets every featured hero, gets every featured costume, and gets every 4* ascension item offer

Whale+

Considers results from paid summons / offers only:

Gets an average of 1x featured hero every time it is offered, gets an average of 1x featured costume every time it is offered, and the necessary 4* ascension offers to level these

P2P

Whale

Considers results from paid summons / offers only:

Gets every 5* HotM and the necessary 4* ascension offers to level these

@Gryphonknight

Numbers

5* HotM spend depth is $ 3,972+ USD per year for 12x 5* 1.1 HotM, with special offers pricing the 3* / 4* ascension items at $1,200+ USD for 12x 5* 4.80 HotM

Total $5,172+ USD per year

Costume 5* HotM spend depth is $8,977.33+ USD to $26,932+ USD per year in Tavern ( Featured heroes 6x to 18x 5* 1.1 ), with special offers pricing the 3* / 4* ascension items at $600+ to $1,800+ USD for 6x to 18x 5* 4.80 HotM

Total $9,577.33+ to $28,731.99+ USD per year

If two copies of the hero are needed AND you missed the initial release month, that jumps to spend depth is $17,954.66+ USD to $53,864+ USD per year in Tavern ( Featured heroes 12x to 36x 5* 1.1 ), with special offers pricing the 3* / 4* ascension items at $1,200+ to $3,600+ USD for 12x to 36x 5* 4.80 HotM

Total $19,154.66+ to $57,463.98+ USD per year

This does not count emblems, and aethers

Black Friday Summons

([Math, Transparency] 2021-Nov Black Friday summons spend depth and loot box unit pricing [ Gaillard, Peñolite, Balbar ])

Merciless RNG

([WARNING] A Summons Experience - Chasing Guardian Panther - A Warning for Chasing Heroes)

([WARNING] A Summons Experience Vol 2 -- Chasing NINJAS... Whatever the cost)

Transparency

([Suggestion] ¿Can freemium games be less predatory? OR Spend Depth versus Loot Boxes OR Stop the Hide)

Terms
Roster Management
HA10 5* retraining combined odds

Soul Exchange Total Costs ( USD, Days, Food, Recruits )

Choke points
Freemium and Small teams
Whale, Whale+, Whale++ numbers
Black Friday Summons
Merciless RNG
Transparency

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

DRAFT

Click for notes

([Repost, Dev Response] How often are Rare quests or Rare quest generation rules [Reposted for smartphone users and future reference])

@Petri

We can confirm that our extra Rare Quest was properly triggered at the time specified. The “regular” Rare Quest was buffered by the Challenge Festival — as mentioned above in this thread, Challenge Events block Rare Quests from generating (a condition implemented in 2017 following player feedback).

Please note that many factors influence the generation of Rare Quests, and a good deal of probability is involved as well; in other words, they are “regularly recurring” events, not “regularly scheduled” events. Veteran players will have previously experienced zero (ugh!) or two (wow!) Rare Quests naturally occuring within a calendar week.

We do not specify dates or times for Rare Quests in our official event calendars for a good reason. User-made calendars may offer reasonably accurate predictions, but keep in mind they occasionally miss the mark — sometimes by barely a day, sometimes by nearly a week.

You can expect another Rare Quest to start a few hours after Morlovia ends.

TL;DR:

• Rare Quests are “regularly recurring” events, not “regularly scheduled” events.
• An extra Rare Quest was properly triggered.
• The regular one was buffered by the Challenge Festival.
• Expect another Rare Quest to start a few hours after Morlovia ends.

Terms
Rare quest generation
Rare quest frequency

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