šŸÆ Shale - 4* Fire / Red from Ninja Tower

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New Ninja Tower hero is released: Shale

This thread is for discussing strategy related to Shale, as well as your thoughts on him.

Shale
Rarity Element Class Mana Speed
:star::star::star::star:
Epic		 :fire:
Fire/Red		 image
Wizard		 C
Charge
Level Attack Defense Health

4/70		 :crossed_swords:
603		 :shield:
626		 :heart:
1423
4/75 655 681 1547
4/80 760 789 1793
Origin Family
Ninja Tower Ninja
Image Aether Power Description
dmg-reduction Damage Reduction At the start of each battle, all damage received by this hero is reduced by 10% for 6 turns.
In battles with multiple waves, the effect is refreshed at the beginning of each wave.
:dizzy: Special Skill: Channel Ki
    • Special Skill has a different effect when charged with 100% / 200% / 300% mana:

    • 1x Mana Charge:
      • The caster regenerates 411 HP over 3 turns.
      • Cleanses status ailments from the caster.

    • 2x Mana Charge:
      • The caster and nearby allies regenerate 549 HP over 3 turns.
      • Cleanses status ailments from the caster and nearby allies.

    • 3x Mana Charge:
      • All allies regenerate 714 HP over 3 turns.
      • Cleanses status ailments from all allies.

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:hugs: Family Bonus

Ninja Heroes have a family bonus for unique heroes of the same family.

Ninja Family
Bonus for 1 / 2 / 3 Heroes:

  • 5% / 10% / 15% chance to dodge normal attacks and Special Skills
  • 5% / 10% / 15% chance to counterattack with 60% / 90% / 120% of the damage received

The two effects have individual sequential processing. So one may not trigger while the other might.

:balance_scale: Balance Changes

August 2024

:test_tube: Changes from Beta

There appear to be no changes to Shale from last-seen Beta stats, skill, and design.

Beta Information: šŸ§Ŗ Early Information on Ninja Tower Heroes (Epic & Legendary) [Part of The Beta Beat V32]

:thought_balloon: What do you think of Shale ?

This thread is for thoughts and discussion on Shale.

Based on preferences Forum members have expressed, please try to stick mainly to Shale and not wander off topic too much to other heroes.

Some Popular Questions for Discussion

  • Is Shale worth summoning for?

  • Would you use Shale on Defense? Offense? War? Quests/Events? Titans?

  • Which heroes on your Roster best pair with Shale ?

  • What heroes would you take when facing Shale as an opponent?

  • Would you give Shale Wizard Emblems? Which Talent Grid path will you choose?

  • What do you think of special?

  • What do you think of Shaleā€™s character design?

  • If you Summoned Shale and would like to post your results, please include some thoughts on why you Summoned Shale, and whether/how you plan to make use of them.*

*NOTE: Summon Results posted without any commentary/feedback at all should be flagged as Off Topic and removed, based on preferences expressed by the Forum community. Please include some comments about what you think of Shale when posting Summon Results. In addition to opinions about Shale, you are also encouraged to include how many Summons it took before receiving Shale (or how many Summons youā€™ve done without receiving Shale), so other players are presented with realistic experiences of the rarity of Epic Event Hero.

:money_with_wings: Avoiding Overspending & Heartache :broken_heart:
Or: How many summons are needed to get an Epic Challenge Event Hero?

Itā€™s important to remember that Challenge Event Heroes have EXTREMELY low summoning odds. No amount of summoning will guarantee a Challenge Event Hero.

On average, in a 10-pull, you have a 17.5% chance of summoning Shale.

But that statistic can lead our minds astray in exactly how our odds play out as we continue summoning.

Some useful insights:

  • 69 times out of 100, youā€™ll get Shale by pull 20 (5,200 gems)
  • 95 times out of 100, youā€™ll get Shale by pull 156 (46,800 gems)
  • 99 times out of 100, youā€™ll get Shale by pull 240 (62,400 gems)

Putting that in Perspective

  • 31 out of every 100 people wonā€™t get Shale by the 20th pull
  • If 1 Million players each summoned :two::zero: times, 309,196 of those players wouldnā€™t get Shale
  • 5 out of every 100 people wonā€™t get Shale by the 156th pull
  • If 1 Million players each summoned :one::five::zero: times, 56,280 of those players wouldnā€™t get Shale
  • 1 out of every 100 people wonā€™t get Shale by the 240th pull
  • If 1 Million players each summoned :two::four::zero: times, 10,013 of those players wouldnā€™t get Shale

More Insights & Reading

I highly recommend reading these three threads for more information and context on summoning odds:

If youā€™ve read them a million times before, you may consider reading them again before deciding on your budget for summoning. A little time spent deciding on how much money you want to risk on summoning goes a long way to avoiding disappointment, frustration, and regret later. :slight_smile:

:thinking: Wondering About Your Personal Situation?

Feel free to discuss your team and roster here, and ask for advice from other Forum members.

If youā€™d like more extensive advice on sorting out your particular roster, I recommend creating a new thread in Gameplay Help & Tactics, and posting screenshots of your hero roster, along with your questions.

:link: Related Threads You May Be Interested In

Original Discussion topic on old Ninja heroes:

Round 1 Ninja Hero topics:

Round 2 Ninja Hero topics:

Round 3 Ninja Hero topics:

Beta Information:

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Feedback Poll - Shale (post release)

:question: Is Shale worth Summoning For?

  • Yes, absolutely
  • Only if youā€™re P2P
  • Yes, but only when featured.
  • Not really
  • Not at all

0 voters

:question: How many copies of Shale would be useful to keep & Level?

Note - this is roster space dependent & isnā€™t the same for everyone!

  • Zero
  • Just one
  • 2
  • 3
  • All of them

0 voters

:question: What do you think Shaleā€™s Primary Purpose is?

  • Healer (Over Time)
  • Cleanser

0 voters

:question: What do you think of Shale compared to other Heroes?

  • Over Powered (OP)
  • Little stronger than Most
  • On Par with Most
  • Little Weaker than Most
  • Completely Broken (Under Powered)

0 voters

:question: How does Shaleā€™s Special Skill and Intended Purpose match his Base Stats?

Note this means his Class, Attack, Defence & HP Stat

  • Perfectly
  • Better than Most
  • On Par with Most
  • Worse than Most
  • Terribly

0 voters

:question: Is Shale worth giving Wizard Emblems to?

  • Yes absolutely
  • Yes, but only if you donā€™t have a 5* Option
  • Yes, but only if youā€™re focusing on 4* Heroes/ Events
  • Hmmmm, not sure yet
  • No, I donā€™t think so.
  • Noā€¦ Not at all.

0 voters

:question: In Defence, where do you think Shale is best used?

Note, as a 4* hero, please consider with this question up-and-coming players not just end-game players (where 5* heroes are a luxury not a given).

  • Left Wing
  • Left Flank
  • Tank
  • Right Flank
  • Right Wing
  • Not on defence at all.

0 voters

:question: How do you think Shale is best used?

  • PvP Raids/ War attack
  • Normal Defence
  • War Defence
  • Titans
  • Farming
  • Tournaments
  • Event Teams

0 voters

Choose up to 3 options
3

Pulled this my first ninja :blush: ā€¦ well it ainā€™tā€¦ gonna get leveled in a hurry maybe not at all.
If anyone finds a use for him please let me know.

4

I wasted mats on him. Heā€™s useless at all. He can be used maybe for farming or tournaments.

2 Likes
5

I really donā€™t know, but the question ā€œHow do you think Shale is best used?ā€ have only 4 voters. Probably more will vote if there an option ā€œno use at allā€ :woman_shrugging:

I ate mine, no regret, still hoping for Ametrine to come :joy:

2 Likes
6

Extremely useful in the Magic tower based on her class.

1 Like
7

Levelled him up long ago when I got him, hoping for a decent red healerā€¦ Well he ainā€™t that. Tough to say what heā€™s meant to be. An unloved child of SG, sick dream of someone who thought they design a well balanced hero while they designed an abomination. Needless to say I stopped using him shortly after that. Probably should have eaten him but thereā€™s still hope in me heā€™ll get his fix when someone competent looks at him.

Poor guy, he doesnā€™t really need all that much to become useful, just make his effect apply to all allies regardless of chargeā€¦ Healing over time isnā€™t anything special after all, heā€™d still be rather mediocre with cleanse being his only advantage over the old Boldtuskā€¦ Nope, it would take 5 minutes of work of a developer to fix this but SG politely refuses.

5 Likes
8

Just let him heal all team at every level of charge. Thatā€™s it. They donā€™t even need to change anything else. Gimmicky cleansy and healing level can stay.

2 Likes
9

I think in 4* RT he may have some use with Ametrine and Sapphire. That family bonus is nasty. That way he may be useful tank. But yes, unlike Ametrine and Sapphire heā€™s more niche. Would be much more useful if he would copy Quartzā€™ skill pattern.

10

I fed 2 copies of him, keeping none.

He is not useless, he has a use. However, his execution of that use is so inferior to the closest counterpart C Rigard that as it stands he is not worth using. If you desperately need a cleansing healer specifically in red (e.g. for cleansing adjacent Noor so she can use her special against Bera) then he can be utilised, sub-optimally.

2 Likes
11

Of course this is who I pull with my single coin pull, lol. On the other hand, it could just as well have been another Prisca or Dawa, so Iā€™ll take it. Heā€™ll get my feeders from playing map stage.

2 Likes
12

Shale has been sitting at the bottom of the barrel of red heroes for me to level, but since i donā€™t have any red healers not named Boldtusk, Junaid, or Hawkmoon, i guess with the red Contest of Elements happening some time in the next couple of months, iā€™ll end up levelling him up soon. :man_shrugging:

3 Likes
13

Besides the release of these total op new Ninjas in the current portal one could have hoped that this fella gets buffed a bit. The rates for getting a Ninja are pretty low already and it is sad that he goes right on the bench when pulled.

2 Likes
14

Just pulled her. I have about 350 heroes in my roster and I do believe Shale is the worst hero in the game, even if you include Morris. Completely useless for any scenario.

15

Useful on ninja tower but really, thatā€™s about it. Maybe for the red challenge too if you are short on red healers.

1 Like
16

Will search for the balance thread for this hero, but easily, the best I can think of is making the heal AoE on all three levels. Mines has sat at 3/60, though Fire Super Elemental has made me think of maybe maxing him for that.

1 Like
17

Cā€™mon man, you have to give Exeera at least some credit!

1 Like
18

Can we buff Shale already? This hero isā€¦ Just sad that it even exist. The most obvious idea would be:

  • Special Skill has a different effect when charged with 100% / 200% / 300% mana:

  • 1x Mana Charge:

  • All allies regenerates 411 HP over 3 turns.

  • Cleanses status ailments from the caster.

  • 2x Mana Charge:

  • All allies regenerate 549 HP over 3 turns.

  • Cleanses status ailments from the caster and nearby allies.

  • 3x Mana Charge:

  • All allies regenerate 714 HP over 3 turns.

  • Cleanses status ailments from all allies.

Will it still be weak hero? Yeah, rather. But at least it will do something. Because now Shale does nothing, but waste a slot.

2 Likes
19

This is correct

Probably. At this point stats are outdated so the skill has to be good enough to make up for it. Healing all is a start. Priority cleanse would be the other change I need. At least he brings something then. Otherwise the heal seems to come too slow.

If shale does heal all, charges two and three would need to be fixed because I wouldnā€™t hold it
Maybe you could make it overheal too. Or maybe some other buff (defense?) too. Maybe more turns.

1 Like
20

I get it that they didnā€™t want to make strong 4* back then, but releasing ā€œpremium tower heroā€ that was worse than S1 3*s was just spit to face