Ninja Heroes (mana tile charge question)

[fight_happy]

Offense ques…
I read somewhere that ninja heroes need 5 tiles to get to 1x mana. Can anyone confirm this?

And to get to 2x and 3x mana charge, it would take additional 5 tiles + 5 tiles?

(Assuming no emblems and troops)

And how many tiles does exploding a diamond count as?

Just trying to wrap my head around how many tiles it takes to charge the ninja up on offense.

Defense ques…
How many tiles hitting the ninja on defense does it take to reach 1x, 2x, 3x?

Thanks in advance

[Guvnor]

@fight_happy

I read somewhere that ninja heroes need 5 tiles to get to 1x mana. Can anyone confirm this?

@Guvnor

Mana Speed: “Charge”…?

The exact wording on the hero cards is:

• Special Skill has different effect if charged with 100% / 200% / 300% mana.

Cross-posting from the beta-beat thread for visibility:

@Guvnor

You’ll notice that all the new heroes do not have a traditional mana speed listed (e.g. Fast, slow average). Instead they have the phrase “Charge” listed.

A very unique feature to all these heroes is that the more times you have over-clocked the mana bar, the stronger the effects of the special skill becomes. What I mean by this is that each hero has 3 “tiers” to their special skill.

• If you cast with 100% mana, you get the first tier. OR
• You can wait & keep accumulating MORE mana… Then if you cast when the bar is filled 2x times (i.e. 200% mana), you get the second tier of effects; OR
• You can wait longer again… If you then cast when the mana bar has been filled 3x times (i.e. 300% mana), you get the third and final tier of effects.
• Hording more mana doesn’t give any new effect beyond the third tier.

Tiles to Charge Mana

TLDR: No mana troop will drop the tile requirements for the first charge but may be achievable for sequential charges.
It LOOKS to be about 4.8-4.9 tiles to charge each time.

Credit to @Rfm and @Epigenetic and some of the other Beta testers for finalising these numbers.

Troop	x1	x2	x3
Crit	5	10	15
Mana 5	5	10	14
Mana 11	5	9	14
Mana 17	5	9	14
Mana 23	5	9	14
Mana 29	5	9	13

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Defence they are treated the same way as all other heroes on defence in terms of the mana units per turn (passive) and per tile per cascade.

Can read more on it on this thread (bit to wade through but good info’s): New mana per turn calculation on defense? We investigate Vol 2

Useful explanation from Kerridoc (no numbers unfortunately)

@Kerridoc

That’s because defense heroes gain mana differently than the offense.

• on offense, a hero only gains mana by matching tiles (unless boosted with a gain-mana buff from, say, Alberich). You gain one tile’s worth of mana when the tile hits a foe, or two tile’s worth if it “ghosts” (doesn’t hit a foe). Certain troops or specials increase the amount of mana each tile is worth.
• on defense, every hero gains a tick of mana each turn. Any hero hit by a tile will gain a chunk of mana; the chunk size decreases the more tiles hit in a particular turn (so a huge cascade may not charge all foes’ mana). Again, mana-boost troops and specials may increase the mana gain.

[fight_happy]

@Guvnor

It LOOKS to be about 4.8-4.9 tiles to charge each time

Thank you @Guvnor… really appreciate such a comprehensive reply. that was actually what I read but couldn’t recall.

Awesome how community wisdom sorts out info for everyone.

Cheers

[jesse1]

Does someone know how Ariel’s mana boost affects the speed? The chart that explains the tiles needed is only about troops?

[PasasHill]

I could not find the answer elsewhere, so I guess this might be the topic to ask the question - how does rush attack tournament affect ninja heroes if it even has any affect on them?

[Guvnor]

@Guvnor

Rush Attack Tournaments / Fast Mana Wars

Because this has been asked a bunch of times I’ll add it to the OP for visibility.

Question: “What happens to the ninjas in Rush Attack Tournaments / Fast Mana Wars?”

The wording of the Tournament & War is:

“All hero special skills are set to Very Fast Mana.”

So what it means is that the Ninjas have their normal “charge” mana speed replaced with “Very Fast” (same as “Very Slow” heroes are replaced with “Very Fast”).

Thus, Ninjas get a “downgrade” in Rush Attack Tournaments as each +100% mana requires 6.5 tiles (un-mana-broken). So 6.5 for 1x, 13 for 2x and 19.5 for 3x (Mana broken becomes 6, 12 & 18 for 1,2&3x).

[fight_happy]

That’s a super handy chart! @Guvnor

[Cpt.Ahab]

Is there any value to the +2% class mana boost for the ninjas? Does it speed them up on offense at all, or are you probably better off taking whatever other route the class offers?

[Liam_K]

Yes it does. I tested with Khagan’s 24% mana generation boost and Onyx charged up 1x with 4 tiles
You can calculate the tiles needed from the base given the % boost.
Eg. for Khagan, each tile gives 1.24 times the normal mana.
1x = 4.9 / 1.24 = 3.95 tiles, 2x = 7.9, 3x = 11.85

The chart that ALX posted shows this in an easier form

[Guvnor]

Full Thread: Ninja Heroes Mana Node; Useful or Not? - #2 by Guvnor

@Guvnor

For me I would sa: "Not really no."

Per below, mana break-points for the Ninja Troops are:

• 9% for -1 tile on charge 2x
• 7% for -1 tile on charge 3x

As the mana node only gives +2% or +4% neither is really useful in terms of achieving a break-point on their own… You would still need to pair it with another mana troop

@Guvnor

Tiles to Charge Mana

TLDR: No mana troop will drop the tile requirements for the first charge but may be achievable for sequential charges.
it LOOKS to be about 4.8-4.9 tiles to charge each time.

Credit to @Rfm and @Epigenetic and some of the other Beta testers for finalising these numbers.

Troop	x1	x2	x3
Crit	5	10	15
Mana 5	5	10	14
Mana 11	5	9	14
Mana 17	5	9	14
Mana 23	5	9	14
Mana 29	5	9	13

[J.K]

By the Fast mana speed tournament. Ninja heroes couldn’t get any mana speed bonus. Is this exactly what the SG intended and made?

[jinbatsu]

@Liam_K

Yes it does. I tested with Khagan’s 24% mana generation boost and Onyx charged up 1x with 4 tiles

Yes, to make it 4 tiles, need 23%, Khagan has 24%.

@Liam_K

1x = 4.9 / 1.24 = 3.95 tiles, 2x = 7.9, 3x = 11.85

It is still valid. Because:

• 2x charge 8 tiles need 23%.
• 3x charge 12 tiles need 23%.

But still the base 1x charge is 4.905 not 4.9.
Like @ALX said.

Here is my summary table.