War Shuffle vs. Established Alliance - Which is Best for Loot???
The premise is simple. There is an approach to Alliance wars where the participants create a new alliance, win 5 straight wars, open their war chest & repeat.
The trade-off on this is that each time they create a new alliance, not only does it reset their war score but it also resets their titan score. This means that the new alliance must rebuild their titan level from 1* again.
The argument is that by sacrificing the Titan Loot Tier, you get more 4* materials by simply opening a war chest more frequently. War chests have the best known likelihood of dropping 4* materials (for those who have 100% war participation).
The aim of this experiment was to determine which method was better in terms of giving not just total ascension materials but more specifically the 4* materials (ones needed for 5* hero ascension).
To do this I took my collected Titan Loot, Titan Kills & War Loot data from three times for comparison:
- When I fought 11 & 12* titans in We Are Groot Vol. - 2, an established alliance
- When I fought 9 & 10* Titans in We Are Groot Vol. - 3, an established alliance
- When I fought 1-6* Titans while doing the War Shuffle strategy.
I completed the war shuffle with 2 other players & incorporated their Titan & War Chest data into this analysis as well as my own personal previous War Chest data.
I have ONLY accounted for ascension materials which drop from War Chest vs. Titans. I have not included War Victory or Titan Chest loot as (from my own tracking for over 1 year of data) these drop very infrequently.
Drop rate for Ascension Mats from various sources
Other Data - Titan Loot & Ascension Materials
Titans are pretty well universally acknowledged as the most regular method of achieving non-farmable ascension materials.
I have a Data-Farming project running to collect & try to pin down the liklihood of getting ascension materials from each Titan Loot Tier.
The preliminary results from this project are:
As you can see, it is not until Loot Tier V that there seems to be a CHANCE of getting a 3* material and not until Tier VIII that 4* mats have been observed to drop…
From this, it’s worth noting from the outset that by reducing your titan level, you reduce the maximum Titan Loot Tier you can achieve. In essence, if you drop to a 5* titan, you can get AT BEST a loot tier of VIII (8). This is compared to getting a C grade on an 11* titan which gives loot tier XI (11).
Link to Titan Loot Project:
Results - Ascension Materials
The results are pretty stark… I will let this Graphic/ Summary Table speak for itself.
Other Considerations - Emblems
One major other consideration is Emblems.
In the Reset Alliance (War Shuffle) strategy you WILL get more emblems as compared to an established alliance. The reason is simple:
Emblems drop from Titan Chests & War Chests.
Both of which you open far more often with the War Shuffle as compared to an established alliance. More chests opened = more emblems. Simple.
NOTE, this is not necessarily the case for an alliance which is chaining 14* Titans.
I have a copy of all the raw data used in this report if anyone wants a copy of it. Just either @ me here or send me a PM via Line (Guvnor81). The data is in an Excel Sheet.
The only thing I am not 100% confident on is the War chest drop rate. I have relatively limited data as these take time to collect.
HOWEVER, even at 100% drop rate of 4* Items the total is still quite stark…
From the data, I highly highly recommend that if players are wanting Ascension Material Loot, they join an alliance & kill bigger titans regularly.
If a player is focused on War & enjoys wars the most, then the War Shuffle will serve it’s purpose then.
However, based on my analysis I reject the premise that there is value in sacrificing Titan Levels for easy War Chest Completion.
Titan Loot Farming Project
War Shuffle Discussion
Explaining How Reset Guarantees Easy War Victories
Discussion of War Strategies (Around Post 118 is where I first saw the War Shuffle strategy.)