🧪 Early Information on Additional Telluria & Vela Balance Updates [Part of The Beta Beat v31]

[Guvnor]

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Don’t get too attached

Details from Beta, especially brand-new Beta content, don’t tend to be very reliable for actual release.

It’s incredibly common that features are changed during Beta testing, or sometimes even after testing but before release. That is, after all, the purpose of Beta testing.

So I wouldn’t get too attached to any of this — it’s not unheard of for entire portions of features to be removed or reworked, or for radical changes to functionality to be made.

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Beta V30 Balance Change Summary

Telluria Changes in V30 Beta Testing

Stat	Updated to Game	Beta v5	Beta v4	Beta v3	Beta v2	Beta v1	Original Release
Mana Generation reduction	-24%	-24%	Removed	-24%	-24%	-24%	-34%
…for X turns	2	2	Removed	3	3	3	3
Inherited Minion HP	13%	13%	13%	13%	13%	13%	18%
HP Regenerated	306	306	411	411	411	243	411
…over X turns	2	2	3	3	3	3	3

Vela Changes in V30 Beta Testing

Stat	Beta v5	Beta v4	Beta v3	Beta v2	Beta v1	Original Release
Extra Damage Against Fire	Reduced (same as v3)	Reduced (same as v3)	Reduced	Removed	Removed	Included
Fire Attack Reduction	-34%	-34%	-34%	-54%	-54%	-54%

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Notes & Reasoning!

A change from previous balance changes this time round is that SGG have included some short reasoning behind WHY the balance change is being considered.

I have included this rational with each listed balance change.

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Version 31 Balance Changes

@Petri

In balancing Heroes, our intention is to create unique and desirable but not overpowered Heroes. The goal is to make sure the overall balance of the game stays intact. These balance changes will be applied after the support for the previous version has ended.

Staff explanation about Why Vela!

@Petri

In our PVP gameplay, we want to make sure there is a lot of variety in the opposing teams that the players encounter and that there are multiple interesting strategies for the players to explore.

Based on our PvP data, pairing Vela with green tanks increases the defense win rate by an amount, unlike any other hero pairing. This is why we strongly believe we need to make significant changes to break this synergy.

Beat Build 3 (19 Aug 2020):

Vela: Direct Damage increased from 150% to 170%. All Fire enemies get -34% attack for 4 turns changed to All enemies get -34% attack for 4 turns. Deals extra damage against Fire removed.

@Petri

Vela’s Extra Damage damage against Fire enemies and attack decrease to Fire enemies are both powerful skills and together they are an extremely powerful combination when used against Fire heroes. When used together with green heroes as tanks (most notably Telluria) the combination of Vela with them is overwhelmingly powerful. With his change we want to address this combination while making Vela more useful when playing against enemies of all elements.

Telluria: Direct Damage reduced from 130% to 115%.

@Petri

• Telluria is a very powerful defense hero and that is what we’d like for them to be also in the future. This change is made to lower Telluria’s effectiveness just a bit without making them obsolete.

Beta Build 3 (21 Aug, 2020)

Vela: All effects changed from “all enemies” to “Target and nearby”. Direct Damage increased from 170% → 180%

Beta Build 3 - 22 August, 2020

@Petri

Telluria: Reverted the previous change.

Beta Build 3 - 24 August, 2020

Vela:

• All effects changed back to “all enemies”
• Direct Damage reduced to 110%
• Water damage reduced to from 208 damage over 4 turns to 156 damage over 3 turns (same damage per turn, 1 turn less)
• Attack Debuff reduced from 4 → 3 turns

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Full Descriptions

Changes are noted as old and new.

Telluria Beta Info & Stats

Attack: 613
Defense: 832
HP: 1425

Class: Paladin
Resist: Minion Removal – The Hero has an innate ability to resist Minion removal.
Element: Nature/Green

Mana Speed: Average

Special Skill: Force of Forest

• Deals 130% damage to all enemies.
• Summons a Forest Familiar Minion for all allies with 13% HP & 13% Attack, inherited from the caster
• All Allies regenerate 306 HP over 2 turns
• All Enemies get -24% mana generation for 2 turns
• Elemental Link gives all Nature allies +10% critical chance for 6 turns. This effect can’t be dispelled.

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Vela Beta Info & Stats

Attack: 743
Defense: 729
HP: 1303

Class: Druid
Resist: Minion Effects – The Hero has an innate ability to resist incoming negative effects and damage from Minions.
Element: Ice/Blue

Mana Speed: Fast

Special Skill: Aquatic Outbreak

• Deals 150% 110% Damage to All Enemies
• All nemies receive 208 156 Water damage over 4 3 turns
• All Fire Enemies get -34% attack for 4 3 turns
• Deals extra damage against Fire
• Elemental Link gives all Ice allies +10% critical chance for 6 turns. This effect can’t be dispelled

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For a full list of items currently in Beta testing, as well as their related threads, please see:

• 🧪 The Beta Beat (v31) – Ninja Tower Event; Alliance Member Online/Offline Indicator; Raid Formations; New ROUND 4 Season 3 Heroes; Jul/Aug/Sep/Oct/Nov/Dec HOTM – Sharing the Big Picture on What's Going on in Beta

Full history of Balance Changes (Buffs/ Nerfs): Hero Buff & Nerf Balance Change History - (See Post #2) - #2 by jinbatsu

For V30 Beta Balance Changes see here: 🧪 The Beta Beat (v30) – Hero Balance Updates; Updated Alchemy Lab; Hero Academy; Updated Sand Empire Seasonal Event; Updated Path of Valor; New Season 3 Heroes; Jun/Jul/Aug/Sep HOTM – Sharing the Big Picture on What's Going on in Beta

[Raghadorn]

Good changes here. Telly will be very slightly less debilitating on her own, and Vela won’t support her directly vs red. Vela getting -attack vs all enemies is actually a bit of a buff in my opinion…

Glad to see more balancing, hopefully we’ll start seeing non-GTV teams more often in high diamond.

[TigerDevil]

Interesting that we are still nerfing Tell even though she’s not even in the top 5 of SG’s raid index: All New Raid Index with Updated Heroes 🏆 August 2020

Meanwhile, Finley still crushing everyone with an elemental link…

[Thorspan]

[Raghadorn]

@TigerDevil I’m not sure what SG looks at when they put those lists together, but all you have to do to see the continued prevalence of Telluria is hit ‘reroll’ about 50 times above 2600 cups. 80% Telly, at least.

That list also doesn’t include Seshat, Drake Fong, or Gravemaker… Did they use a GTV filter and compile everyone ELSES teams?

[Kerberusz]

Deeply dissatisfying! I am more than happy to see they try to buff a bit completely useless heroes, but when I realized they’re buffing Vela and calling it a nerf. I’d like to say something funny, but just nope.
Regarding Telluria 15% dmg reduction? Exactly that’s been the problem!

[Thorspan]

I don’t think they need to focus any more on this whole “Make GTV go away!” circumstance. Like everything that came before, it’s only temporary as newer and better heroes come out to break the mold again and again. It’s just a matter of time… patience people.

The top 100 will always mimic each other’s teams no matter what you do with the heroes. They just need to make newer heroes that have just as good synergy as GTV but differing in color and ability to bring back the variety. Yes I know, easier said than done, but aren’t the players and the game worth this effort?

Frankly, another thing that killed variety is emblems. I have a love hate relationship with them. It’s nice to improve the maxed out 5* heroes, but as many emblems as it takes I can no longer enjoy my variety of 5* hero combinations since it would require a butt load of work to remove a million emblems from one hero to put on another just because I want to try a new one. This is the REAL reason defense teams among top 100 aren’t changing… don’t patronize me with a measly 20 emblems of each type as a recompense either when you mess with heroes I worked so hard to max out and can’t easily switch out when others come along since emblems take so much work. Gone are the days you can just easily switch heroes around in your defense team when E&P decides they want to “balance” heroes you’re currently using. This is what upsets me most.

Also, if you’re going to keep “balancing” heroes then for the love of God stop acting like Finley doesn’t need “balancing” too!!

[Lomnen]

Nerfing Telluria again is a very, very bad idea…

[TigerDevil]

@Thorspan

Frankly, another thing that killed variety is emblems.

This! In theory, it’s great to have more powerful heroes, but emblems make it very difficult to try out new things. The gap between emblemed heroes and non-emblemed heroes can be quite large. I have great heroes (like Killhare) that I never use because I don’t have emblems for them, and using them without emblems would be too much of a downgrade. I haven’t even bothered to level my Clarissa because she won’t get emblems until 2024.

[TDSM]

It’s outrageous! All changes to heroes for the worse after their release are cheating the players. With worse parameters, I probably would not have spent my money and caught these heroes at all, and even more so, I would not have spent resources on their full pumping! These post-release character degradations are NOT ACCEPTABLE !

[yelnats_24]

@Raghadorn

Vela getting -attack vs all enemies is actually a bit of a buff in my opinion…

As I only use Vela for attacking purpose, this change benefit me.

[JAG101836]

Seems like a good change. Their will be a need for some more cleansers when attacking with Vela being for all now.

[ManiacOfMayhem]

But the list of top 5 shows you that telluria isn’t actually winning raid defense The most. In other words, she might be popular but she is in no Way the most successful winning hero in the game.

@topic please just remove all of telluria damage to everyone and return her heal, mana generation reduction, and health of her minions. Honestly it would be better to have her heal 500 over 3 turns, reduce mana by 34% and have her give minions that added 20% hp, but had no attack.

[666martin666]

So now you made me angry, Vela without extra damage to the red ??? But he is a hero on the red titan

[BeleCZ]

Cant help myself, but this looks like tiny Telly nerf, so players which dont have Vela aswell, wont like it. But the nerf is really small.
Huge Vela buff, no doubt, and in the end buff for whole crazy GTV setup.

Let the endless reroll continues…

What is the point of making GTV even stronger?

[Raghadorn]

@Thorspan

Like everything that came before, it’s only temporary

I want this to be the case, but Telly has reigned supreme since she showed up. No other ‘dominant’ tank ever took up 90% of upper diamond…

Even after the first rebalance, usage only dropped to 80%… still far higher than GM, Guin, Kunchen…combined…

[ManiacOfMayhem]

Yes yes yes! Vela has always been the problem in this equation, and now you guys have made her strong against everyone, not just red😂

[yelnats_24]

@ManiacOfMayhem

But the list of top 5 shows you that telluria isn’t actually winning raid defense

No tank in that top 5.

[Newbie91]

Definitely a buff for Vela A fast hero with “All enemies get -34% attack for 4 turns”
This is a bit too much

[Raghadorn]

@ManiacOfMayhem

But the list of top 5 shows you that telluria isn’t actually winning raid defense The most.

Telly wins SO much that she’s 80% of high diamond. Alliances almost exclusively run green tanks because of her. Other heroes (Vela) get nerfed because of her.

The ‘top heroes in raids’ that SG provided doesn’t seem right at all.