Analysis: Value of chests and items


I strongly disagree.

Some heroes are good, some suck, most are just okay.

But some are really really good. Many people level 2x to 6x copies ( looking at you purple 4* Rigard )

Even with 5* heroes, with emblems, on some of my families accounts, Rigard 4*+18, Melendor 4*+18, 1x to 2x Grimm 4*+18, Wu Kong 4*+18, Boldtusk 4*+18, Proteus 4*+18, Tiburtus 4*+18, Sabina 4*+18, Scarlett 4*+18, Cyprian 4*+18, Kiril 4*+18, Boril 4*+18, are insanely powerful heroes.

Emblems was the best thing Devs did for all players, F2P to P2P.

“The hero you have is better than the hero you do not have”- F2P wisdom.

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This does not include some good 3* / 4* heroes showing up in Beat Beat Season 3 heroes.

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The number of 5* heroes that significanly improve titan hits is small, and hard to get.

The high end buffers ( Tarlak, Miki, Ranvir ), the elemenal debuffers ( Panther, Frida, Evelyn, King Arthur ), the general debuffers ( Athena ).

It is usually better to use color stacking. Many 4*+18 heroes have better attack stats than 5* 4.80


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Basic Color stacking

Color stacking

Color stacking, Empires hidden buff

Neutral color stacking


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I concur with your strong disagreement. For F2P, you can’t count on having/maxing a ton of 5-stars, and even fewer 5-stars that you can max out on emblems. My best is currently Domitia +9. However, I have a ton of +20 four-star heroes that are quite sturdy, allowing me to compete in diamond tier. So yeah, I’ll emblem Domitia, Poseidon, and Onatel for my defense team, but I’ll also happily go to battle with my Melendor, Sabina, Tiburtus, Boldtusk, Kiril, and Sonya +20s. A recent post by Olmor claims that a fully emblemed Little John (HP/def) is viable for diamond raiding; I’m working toward it to test that theory. Would really help my ability to stack green.

Indeed. Confucius say…


I agree with some of your points, but I guess we are just disagreeing in the overall long term philosophy. I am more about upside so that is why I do not value emblems “as much” and a little more tokens. I still have emblemed 4* and find them useful, but for me the priority is trying to find ways to get 5* start heroes, at least for now!
Once I get more of them, of course my mind will shift more to getting emblems, but as of now, to improve my roster upside I need more 5* heroes.
Just as an example, having high end 4* I still lose more raid than when using non emblemed 5* just because they are more strong (usually abilities).
Anyway, a good discussion and disagreement is always welcomed! helps to see new options and point of views. I always strive to get more emblems, but right now I am chasing token and heroes more.
Well, I will keep you informed about the future mechanism to provide data, so this project can grow!

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Been there, so I understand. I’ve been fortunate that my legendary draws have been mostly good ones - Onatel, Poseidon, Ranvir, Domitia, Azlar, Vivica, Sartana, Thorne, Khagan, and Elena. If I were sitting on a bunch of Horghalls and Obakans, maybe I’d feel differently.

Hi guys, first leg of this data project is available now!! Elemental Chest loot project

Please help if possible!

If some of you are still interested in this, I update results from my dataset:

Now that some people have started to receive costume keys, I am starting a new dataset once I get my first key (not including that chest so I do not bias results).
With that the main idea is to check if things change (i.e. reduction in other drops to compensate as example). If everything seems equal, both datasets will be merged.
Hope this helps the decision making of people.

At least it helped mine, I never go without doing 4 chests everyday, and on lvling days I fill a third of raiding!!

If some of you want to look at elemental chests and help with that project you are also welcome!
Elemental chest loot project

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