i have a question…
I am playing this game togherther with a friend and i have a question about damage vs Titans.
Lets take red Titans as an example due to here is the most extreme difference.
My Friends Team:
Miki, Kiril, Frida, Grimm and Sonya
My Team:
Wu-Kong, Kiril, Frida Grimm and Magni.
So my question:
With those teams vs. 10* Titans, with all buffs active each of his stone makes 4900 dmg non crit!
My team, each stone is maxed at 3600 dmg non crit.
I dont understand that. Sure the damage difference in total is huge due to Wu is missing “35”%
So regardless the luck of stones he is making much more damage than i do…
I am not sure how the buffs mechanics are working and what is stacking and what not. Whats the max amount of dmg buff?
Whats the difference in stone damage going in with Mono team or 4+1 (blue + wu)?
I am confused about his stones full buffed doing 1300dmg more than mine do?
I think about having read anywhere that 195% buffed is max…
So my Wu 185% + Kiril 30%, makes 215% or if there is a max what is it?
His Miki 130% + Kiril 30% should bring him to 160% dmg buff.
We both have active Frida on enemy.
I really dont understand that. His Stones buffed to 160% doing 4900 Dmg
Mine buffed to 215% doing 3600 Dmg per stone.
Where is this difference coming from? What exactly is increasing the stone damage? Heroes and their level? Troops? Stack of colours?
Perhaps somebody can explain me how it works to understand whats the reason for this huge dmg difference…
The Damage Calculation for a color stack is based on aggregate Attack stat vs. the Defense of the enemy, and it’s exponential once Attack is higher than Defense.
So Miki is contributing more “Strong” damage to the stack because he’s blue than an off-color hero like Wu will.
They may also have higher Attack stats depending on Troops, Levels, and Emblems.
We’d need to see the actual teams in their entireties to compare them.
So teams are
Kirill, Frida, Grimm, Sonya, Miki - friend
Kirill, Frida, Grimm, Magni, Wu Kong - yours
Let’s see.
Your friend default attack is 656+770+716+607+712=3461
Your default attack is 656+770+716+793=2935
Buffed, that’ll be:
Your friend 3461x2.6=8999
Your attack is 2935x1.3x2.85=10874
So, you should hit harder. Need to see the actual attack values in the battle after all buffs. Please make a picture of each hero in the battle (not necessarily the titan, just any PVE battle with all buffs active), and ask so your friend to do same. I assume, buff is somehow calculated differently. Then we can investigate further.
UPD:
As @zephyr1 corrected, your buff is 3.15, so we have
Your friend 3461x2.6=8999
Your attack is 2935x3.15=9245
Still, bigger, but not by much, definetily need to see actual values from battle.
What’s why I wrote “default attack” and asked for screens from actual battle
Wu kong description clearly reads “All allies get +185% attack…”. That mean attack got a buff of 185%, or is multiplied by 2.85. Kiril is only +30%, so, multiplier is 1.3. Miki description reads “All allies get +130% normal attack… Stacks with simlar status effects up to a maximum of +170% normal attack.” So, with Kirill, that’s +160%, i. e. 2.6 multiplier. Am I really that bad in math and percentages?
I am talking about both of us have Grimm, Frida, Miki/Wu and Kirli active.
For him unbuffed he has 3416 power.
i have 2834 power.
To his 3416 is Miki 2,3 and Kiril 1,3: 3416*(2,3+1,3) = 12298
Me 2834 Wu 2,85 and Kiril 1,3: 2834*(2,85+1,3) = 11761
Or am i wrong here? Due to troops are nearly unlveled i think they will not make a big difference the difference comes from another thing.
So my friend get buffed 160% everything more is riddiculus due Miki is capped to 160%
Is there a cap for buffs in total?
I really cannot understand that due to the same titan with same nervs its impossible that those 540 net power makes a difference of 1300 dmg…
I am not sure how is the role of his mono blue team to mine 4+1 - or if its really only for the dmg calculation.
If not i cant understand why 215% buffed stones are weaker than 160% buffed stones…
As @zephyr1 pointed out, it would be easy to do the calculations if you can provide us the exact attacks stats of the two teams. An easy way of doing this would be to use the two titan teams on any easy farming level (may be Season 1 Province 5 Stage 6) and hold down on each hero in beginning and give us the exact value of the attack stat of each hero, that way we won’t have to look up 10 heroes and 10 troops to find them.
Are you positive about that setup? 'Cause your first message was describing a different setup and this one has clear advantage to your friend’s side. Namely, Grimm. As a matter of fact, his debuff stacks with Frida debuff, and that’s really huge stuff. I’m gonna make exact calculations little later, but that’s it for now.
UPD: Done exact calculations. Big thanks to @Razor for info about troops. Not sure about the debuff, but still. Should be 3600dmg vs 6600 dmg, so even bigger than you observed.
I can follow everything you did up very well but not the last step.
From where do you have those 675 Def of the target?
And another question does in this game kind of a theorycraft tool exists where i can play aroud with heroes and troops.
Where i can choose a hero give him level as i want and see his stats and same for the troops?
For example, my horghall how will be his stats at 2/55 and 3/58 and 4/70 and so on?
His friend may be hitting the attack soft cap — that would explain why the damage for the one team is as expected, and the other is lower.
@ThePirateKing@Gryphonknight as far as I know, we collectively know that an attack soft cap exists, but don’t have a formula that incorporates it into the damage calculation, due to a lack of knowledge of exactly how it works. Do you know otherwise?
I know @Garanwyn was onto a solution for it when he dropped out of the game, but he didn’t finalize and publish it before he went on hiatus.
I have never been able to determine the exact measure of the soft cap. A lot of data is required for that, especially since we are not sure about the defense stat of the titans. In the post above the titan defense value for a 10 star titan has been assumed to be 675, which is an underestimated value imho. Usually, from my experience the defense value of a 10* titan should be somewhere around 800-900, so that might change the values a little bit.
But as @Gryphonknight pointed out, the difference in the OP’s case most likely can be attributed to the fact that he had 4 blue heroes as compared to his friends, which is the main source of the difference in tile damage.
