Kadilen or wait?

The odds of pulling a 5* from TC20 is about 5%. There are 20 different 5* available in TC20. Even with 4 running at once, it could be a very, very long time before you pull Lianna.
Kadilen isn’t that bad, the protection against special skills is nice. Also, you have two great snipers already thanks to Joon and Magni. Magni will increase your defense and Kadilen will bump up your defense against special skills. That’s a good combination.
The odds of pulling Lianna are low, but yeah, it could happen tomorrow. What you have to decide is if you would be really disappointed if you pulled Lianna right after using the tonics… You have 2 great snipers, and personally, I’m a fan of variety. I say go for it. Also, you aren’t too far away from getting that last dart for Joon. The rare quest is… sort of close? 2 more before it, I think?


I have about 12 maxed 4 stars.

I’d ideally aim for at least 3 maxed 4* of each colour before concentrating on 5*. This from bitter experience of concentrating on 5* too soon myself.


Honestly I dont think Kadi is as bad as people make out. Sure her ss doesent do massive damage but her ss def up is actually quite good. I have greg n zeline maxed and still have 2 elks , 2 Kadi and 3 treeman all at 1/1 (still have 14 tonics) because I have never scored lianna either. If I didnt have greg n zel, I would have maxed kadi for sure.

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Kadilen is good with heroes that decrease defenses.
If you have Santa Claus or Kunchen she would be a better flank than Lianna.

But if your red and purple heroes are top notch you could still use your x2 tomes & blades for them.
Joon is to ascend :slight_smile:


Thanks for the perspective. Indeed, I could fail to pull Lil for years. As f2p/c2p I may be better off playing the heroes I have, rather than holding out for a low probability outcome.


Even if you were P2P, there is no guarantee you will get a specific hero, no matter how many summons you do. I agree with that advice; play with what you have, not with what you wish you had. Kadilen could help you stay in diamond and get more diamond chests. I got a 4* mat from a diamond raid chest today.
I maxed Obakan, because he was the only purple 5* I had. I used him for a couple months before getting another 5* purple. Now I have Hel, Kunchen, Seshat, and Guardian Panther. Believe me, I wish I could get those mats back from Obakan. I don’t regret maxing him, though. He was my only option at a time and was better than nothing. He helped me raid in diamond and increase my chances at more rare mats. I’m all for saving those hard to get mats for the best heroes, but they don’t do you any good if they are gonna sit in your inventory for the next year while you pray to RNGesus the next train will produce Lianna.

@ImaSuriDondai did you finish season 2 normal and hard?
You get a lot of atlantis coins along with mats.

Kadilen is nice to look at but not an immediate ascend to tier 4.

Like others said, focus on your 4*, try to do more season two for coins to pull from Atlantis. Might pull tarlak, certainly can wait until the end of the month to decide whether to max kadilen.

I maxed Kadilen to lvl 80, but still get better results with raid defense using Caedmon+14 instead of her. My defense team includes Isarnia on flank, and Kadilen is supposed to work well with her, but I’m not impressed.

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I recommend having 2x good rainbow 5* 3.70 teams before using any 4* ascension items.

I also recommend a roster of 15x to 25x 4* 3.70 and 5x to 10x 4* 4.80 heroes before leveling 5* heroes since 5* heroes take so much Hero XP and food ( see notes ).

On average, you will get 3x 3* ascension items for every 1x 4* ascension item ( see notes).

Many high level players have a glut of 3* ascension items and lack Hero XP ( Atlantis Rising and Advanced House level 9 should help) and lack of 4* ascension ( maybe Alchemy Lab version 3 will help ).


Gryphonkit, my wife, and I love Kadilen, the only fast mana speed, attack all enemy, Classic 5* hero.

Kit has Kadilen 5*+2.
I have Kadilen 5* 3.70.

But we have the 4* / 5* heroes to support Kadilen.

Kadilen was added in the second to last Classic 5* hero update.


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Hero roster

Train camps and Hero XP

([Play style] When to level your first rainbow 5* team based on Hero XP from training camps, team depth, team versatility, war, and upcoming class update- Updated with food costs)

3*/ 4* ascension items




Kadilen is a good 5* supporting hero but on her own is lacking. She needs the heroes around her to be effective. Thus I would not rush to make her among the first 5* levelled up.


What are the best support for her?
Will start her once LJ is finished and bring to at least 2/60 or 3/70.

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Kadilen is really well supported on defense by a healer to keep her standing. She can tank fairly well and that buff vs. special keeps enemy snipers from taking her out too easily.



Depends on your roster.

Field Aid

For Field Aid (WR), Gryphonkit likes to run Zimkitha, Delilah, Kadilen as her flanks and center.

I have decent luck with Thoth-Amun, Grimm, Boldtusk, Kadilen, Joon.

Kadilen 's protection from special skills is not overwritten by defense debuffs like Gormek, Wilbur or Falcon.

So Field Aid (WR) helps heal Kadilen. She has decent protection from snipers. A center, or flank, healer also keeps her healthy.

It can be very frustrating for low level attackers.


Kadilen 5* 3.70 is also nice for farming if you do not have any green, fast mana speed, attack all enemies.


Thanks @Gryphonknight and @afrazier for the response.
I will start soon to level my 5* as i am currently doing my third 4* 4/70 teams.
Don’t have a huge 5* roster, just Alice, Thoth, Kadilen, Atomos, Elena and Anzogh.
Rigard +9 - Kadilen - Anzogh - Thoth/Alice - Alice/Thoth
Does that defense make sense once/if i max them all? I do have a Grimm +12 that could be put on flank to maximize Kadilen and Thoth damage. Guess i will have some experiences to do.
I am pleased to see that Kadilen has some love.


Thanks everyone for your input, it is appreciated.
After completing Frostmarch today, I have enough scopes to ascend Magni (which I assume is a slam dunk decision-wise) so Kaliden will have to wait. Guess I’ll reevaluate after maxing Magni.


Who is Wait?
Never pulled him.
He has to be good, since every 2nd player seems to be undecided between any and this Wait.



He is a minor diety of the RNG pantheon.

Traditional sacrifices include swearing, begging, drinking and by throwing your smartphone. Bonus prayer points if pliers are required to remove it from the wall.


I have both Kadilen 4/80 +4 and Lianna 4/80 +5. For Farming I mostly use Kadilen. Especially for auto-farming where AI is not good in choosing targets.
Lianna is good for dealing with strong bosses.

For Blue Titans I use them both, but without a defense debuffer they are not very effective.

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I gotta say, as someone who chose Wait as my first 5* green, I haven’t been that happy with the results. Wait is super hard to find in my enormous hero roster, and he never seems to do anything in my raids or Titans or in wars or quests. I’ve gotten to the point I’m not even bringing him to the field anymore and am bringing a 3/70 Elkanen and/or Kadilen instead. Those guys at least do something, even if they’re squishier than a fully ascended 5*.

Then again, Wait has never died, so he might be a good tank if I could ever find him. I’ll keep looking.

It’s probably been said already, but if you want to have the most no-regret options available, the advice is to hold out for 10 Mysterious Tonics before pulling the trigger (which is what the illustrious Gryphonknight himself recommended). But as others have said, there is absolutely no guarantee that you’ll pull Lianna, and Kadilen is arguably the second best option of the classic 5* green heroes due to her versatility and stats. She’s a great support hero and decent at tanking and protecting the team whereas Groot (Horghall) is only good at center tank and Elkanen is decent but not that flashy.

It does depend a lot on your bench, though. Kadilen as an all-hit can’t reliably knock out a problem hero hiding on the wing or about to fire, but she can protect the team from snipers or all-hits like Azlar or Quintus by absorbing a lot of the blow. She’s a bit squishier than her brother elf, but if you flank her (or have her flank) a healer/tank (like Boldtusk or Kunchen), she’s annoyingly hard to take down if the board doesn’t line up in your favor. I don’t think Kadilen is a bad decision if you’re still missing Lianna as she’s good in a lot of roles compared to the rest.

I decided to use my tonics on Wait when I finally had 6, and the lack of any fully ascended green 5* is starting to bite me hard. While the other colors had fancy toys that could anchor a strike team like Ares, Panther, and Richard, poor ole green needed to depend on Caedmon to potter around. I finally got sick of not having anything sturdy enough to field and pulled the trigger on Elkanen, but that’s because I had both him and his sister elf at 3/70 and need hitters more than support since I’m lousy with support heroes (Kiril, Rigard, Vivica, Wilbur, Boldtusk, Ares, Sabina, Wu Kong… are you noticing a pattern here?).

I don’t think you’ll regret ascending Kadilen, and if you’re lucky, the “curse” of pulling a better hero the moment you ascend a 5* will hit you. That’s how I got my Frida. :wink:


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