5* Ascension help

[Gryphonknight]

4* Heroes are the backbone of Empires

@Eaglecrest

I prefer titan damage and war score over cups but I hate losing raids both on offense and defense

I think you would be better off with

2x to 3x rainbow 4* 3.60 teams ( most powerful heroes with non farmable ascension items )
= 10 to 15

2x to 4x rainbow 4* 4.70 teams
= 10 to 20
Total 30 to 35

1x to 2x rainbow 5* 3.70 teams
= 5 to 10
Total 35 to 40

Gryphonknight's team notes

Wu Kong Grinder gang ( farming, Atlantis coins, rare quests )

Wu Kong 3.60
Rigard 3.25
Melendor 3.07
Boldtusk 4.67
Kiril 4*+1

Atlantis Aces ( Tricky but powerful )

Proteus 4.70, 1.1
Wilbur 4.70
Melia 0.0

Wu Kong Cascade squad ( see Grinder gang for rest of team. See notes )

Grimm 4.70
Scarlett 2.01

Class quest crew ( use emblems to get emblems )

Sabina 2.32 ( 4* sorcerer healer - see notes )
Tiburtus 1.8 ( 4* ranger with Ramming pulverizer - see notes )

Niche

Caedmon 4.27 ( dispeller need buffed enemies )
Chao 3.37 ( mana reduction is weak compared to Proteus, Hansel and Merlin )
Danzaburo 1.14 ( surprisingly effective )
Kashhrek 4.35 ( incredibly tough for a 4* )
Gormek 1.23 ( Ramming Pulverizer, unlike Wilbur does damage )

Tiniest niche

Merlin 3.06 ( King of titan mana control, not as fast as Hansel, not as many targets as Proteus )

Ameonna 1.24 ( King of color stacking and anti-reflect damage. Or is that Queen ).

Li Xiu 3.01 ( yellow 4* center for defense, but Danzaburo can substitute and Danzaburo can be useful on attack ).

Duplicates

@StephenNap89

Is the primary reason for doing this war?

And color stacking.

For 3* Heroes I level multiple Belith and Hawkmoon because only 3* Healers and color stack red or green. Multiple Bane because 3* yellow are weak. Though Melia helps. Hisan and Rudolph are nice to have 2x 3* 3.50 .

For 2x 4* 4.70- yes ( that useful )
Proteus

For 2x 4* 4.70- maybe ( depending on your play style and roster )
Jackal
Grimm
Boril
Boldtusk

For 1x 4* 4.70 plus 1x 4* 3.60
Rigard
Melendor
Grimm ( Class quest )
Wu Kong ( high attack stat for a 4* yellow, skip if Jackal )

Notes

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Quotes

Wu Kong Grinder gang or madmarv auto play

@madmarv

And if you manage to run out of loot tickets while burning through a stockpile of WE flasks, I’ve noticed that a universal auto-farming team of Melendor, Rigard, Kiril, Boldtusk, Wu Kong works pretty well on any of the Normal levels that do not have a special effect like Magic Night. I’m currently testing to see how far up the map this team can go on auto-pilot. Cleared S2-15-8N just now

Edit
( Wu Kong grinder gang or Powerful rainbow auto play team or Wu Kong plus 4 healers )

3* to 4* ascension items

@Gryphonknight

Ratio of 3* to 4* ascension items
([Play style] When to level your first rainbow 5* team based on Hero XP from training camps, team depth, team versatility, war, and upcoming class update- Updated with food costs)

Hero XP ( Advanced House Level 9 will change this )

@Gryphonknight

Train camps and Hero XP
([Play style] When to level your first rainbow 5* team based on Hero XP from training camps, team depth, team versatility, war, and upcoming class update- Updated with food costs)

Wu Kong

@Gryphonknight

Wu Kong- Tactics
([Play Style] The cascade squad or Wu Kong+ two healers )

Emblems

@Gryphonknight

Ranger

Tiburtus- Can substitute for Grimm on the Cascade Squad ( or swap in versus a yellow / green Titan or Boss ).

An enemy defense debuff -10% is better than an ally attack buff +10% because defense curve is non-linear. This means an enemy +10% defense buff is better than an ally attack debuff -10%, so bypassing am enemy defense +30% buff is Huge.

Spirit link and other defense buffs also reduce the effectiveness of Ramming Pulverizer, so Ranger’s Pierce effectively makes Tiburtus an IMPROVED Ramming Pulverizer.

Tiburtus- Ranger - Perfect fit.

Sorcerer

Sabina- Can substitute for Melendor on the Cascade Squad ( or swap in versus a yellow / red Titan or Boss ).

Sorcerer can delay enemy buffs, increasing the effectiveness of Sabina’s dispell.

Sabina- Sorcerer - Perfect fit.

Note: I will most like level to Sorcerer 4*+1 Sabina then Ameonna before leveling Sabina from 4*+1 to 4*+19. Delay 3% is a decent first class node, no reason not to give it to Ameonna.

@Kerridoc, er, Wilbur

@Gryphonknight

Wilbur is like Wu Kong, a hero worth building a team around

Proteus

@Gryphonknight

Personally I would do a second Proteus, and a third Proteus, before a first Merlin and all before a first Ameonna ( I abandoned leveling my Ameonna when I got Proteus and also when realized Tiburtus was the only Ramming Pulverizer in Ranger class).

Proteus is group mana control ( huge ), pure DOT bypasses reflect damage AND bypasses high defense stat. Anti-Guinevere hero, purple 4* Cheshire Cat is rumored to have pure DOT which will bypass Guinevere’s high defense stat.

Merlin is only single target and like Hansel ( fast mana speed) and Gretel ( average mana speed like Proteus & Merlin) trying to fill a Titan’s mana bar three times in 3 turns is impossible without luck. Proteus does not require refilling the enemy mana bar for maximum effect. In fact Proteus is effective even if you cannot fill the enemy mana bar while Merlin’s is less effective if the enemy mana bar is at zero and if you cannot fill the mana bar before the special expires.

Both Proteus & Merlin are purple, average mana speed and special lasts 3 turns.

Hansel ( fast mana speed with bonus special skill defense buff ) I might level before a second Proteus, but they are separate colors and I always level heroes with same color 1*-3* heroes.

Gryphonknight's notes on Eaglecrest's roster

Ameonna 1.24
Boldtusk 4.67
Caedmon 4.27
Chao 3.37
Danzaburo 1.14
Gormek 1.23
Grimm 4.70
Kashhrek 4.35
Kiril 4*+1
Li Xiu 3.01
Melendor 3.07
Merlin 3.06
Proteus 4.70, 1.1
Rigard 3.25
Sabina 2.32
Scarlett 2.01
Tiburtus 1.8
Wilbur 4.70
Wu Kong 3.60

FIN