Guide "Increased damage against elements - how much? by Vikingblood80

[Vikingblood80]

It all started out with the question “How much is increased damage?” as this is not stated on the card and turned out to differ. Thanks for all who contributed. Enjoy reading.
Viking

Hey guys,

did anyone figure out how much is “increased damage” against a certain element? 20% 50% ?%

Special attacks are considered colorless. Some heroes do increased damage against their weak element. This needs to be stated in the character description.

Extra damage

Name	Element	Extra damage	Mana speed	# of targets	Type of damage
Athena		+40%	average	3	direct
Bjorn		+40%	average	1 (only second hit)	direct
Clarissa		+66% / +33%	very fast	3	direct and over time
Francine		+40%	fast	3	direct
Gravemaker		+60% / +25%	very fast	3	direct and over time
Hel		+40%	average	3	direct
Mok-Arr		+40%	average	5	direct
Natalya		+20%	fast	1	over time
Ursena		+40%	average	5	direct
Vela		+60% / +30%	fast	5	direct and over time
Zeline		+40%	fast	5	direct

Blue

• Athena +40%
• Vela +60% / +30%

Red

• Gravemaker +60% / + 25%
• Natalya +20%

Purple

• Ursena +40%
• Bjorn +40% only on 2nd hit
• Hel +40%
• Mok-Arr +40%
• Clarissa +66% / +33%

Green

• Zeline +40%
• Francine +40%

Am I missing heroes? How much is “increased damage” ?

Thx

[Guvnor]

It depends on the hero.

Gravemaker is +25%
Vela is +70%

Natalya I believe is also +20%

I am unsure on Ursena, Hel & Athena tho… THINK they are 30-40%

[Vikingblood80]

@Guvnor

Gravemaker is +40%
Vela is +70%

How did you get these numbers?

[Guvnor]

From their DoT

DoT is the same regardless of Buffs etc… So if you watch the different numbers you can see the difference.

Natalya I can’t really check cause I don’t own her.

Athena etc… You could work out if you use the damage calculation

Damage Calculation

After several months of statistical analysis of raid and AW fighting, here is my conclusion. The damage can be estimated from the attack / defense ratio with a power function. EDIT : After the post of RedPython, it made me think and I redid my calculations … And finally, everything is clearer! all my previous calculations are merged into one formula, so I modified the original message. Again thank you @RedPython! Damage ≈ 100 x ( θ x Att / Def ) ^ 1.35 …

Don’t think anyone has done it yet b

[ThePirateKing]

@lexinen

Certain heroes have special attacks that inflict extra damage against certain elements (for example, Gravemaker’s special does extra damage to Nature enemies). This boosts the damage of the special attack against that element by 40%.

This might help.

[Guvnor]

Did a quick search of the Forum:

@DaveCozy

I believe Zeline deals 40% more damage to ice… so it’s inconsistent. Her stats are similar to Vela too, so I don’t think it’s related to attack stats.

[Wormwood]

@Guvnor

DoT is the same regardless of Buffs etc…

There’s base DoT, then there’s actual DoT. Actual DoT will fluctuate based on mana troop level and you can check the actual DoT by tapping and holding down over said hero while using them.

[Rduke77]

+70? That’s ridiculous…no wonder why she’s so darn effective next to Telluria against a red stack. That’s stupid high.

[Guvnor]

Yeah I was meaning when it’s applied.

If you watch the damage number IN BATTLE when it’s applied. The damage flashes above each hero when it calculates.

From that you can see the number for a normal hero & a “extra damage”. Then divide the two and bobs your uncle.

[Guvnor]

Dot is the easiest to calculate:

You can see that the damage dealt from GMs Burn is:
Evelyn = 243
Anzogh = 195

So GM is actually 25% bonus damage (my apologies; updated post above)

[Guvnor]

And here is Vela:

So damage is:
90 on strong
53 on weak

So Vela is 70% as stated above

[Vikingblood80]

Updated first post above.

For heroes without DoT it’s harder to find out as you can only compare targets with almost same defence value.

[Vikingblood80]

Found this one:

1.8 Release Notes

Edit: Update out now for both iOS & Android! 3 New Legendary Heroes Added Khagan (Fire), Domitia (Dark) and Obakan (Dark) All elements now have 4 legendary heroes in the standard selection Special Skill adjustments and fixes: Captain Sargasso: The healing reduction should now work as expected instead of getting less effective when leveled up. Max healing reduction is now -58%. Guardian Owl : max healing over time increased from 645 to 765 hp. Damage per dead ally increased from 30% to 45%…

So it’s +40% for Athena and Hel. Will edit starting post.

[Guvnor]

Tested Clarissa (NOTE SHE IS STILL IN BETA SO MAY CHANGE)

Damage strong = 213
Damage weak = 171

So Clarissa does 25% (same as Gravemaker)

[Vikingblood80]

Anyone else can contribute?

I have Bjorn fully leveled so I can test him on stage 12-8 with yellow and red enemies.

[Dwimmerlaik]

Tested Natalya, she’s at 3.42 atm but if my calculations are correct the boost is only ±20%?

By her description in battle: 688/4 = 172 per turn
She did 205 per turn, so 205/172 means 19.2% increase.

That’s very low, pictures are here: (taken in-battle so it’s with troops)

[Guvnor]

Best way to test is by firing against a “strong” enemy and a “normal” enemy… Quickest is in a mob stage (farming)

[Dwimmerlaik]

There’s no reason for the damage to be different, but I still tried and the damage was exactly the same (used the same troop). 172 per turn to blue monster and 205 to green one. Tested it in S3 when farming boars.

I am a bit disappointed tho, I don’t have much heroes with “strong” specials and I always thought it’s fixed +40%. Seeing Natalyas only +20% makes me sad, she’s already weak compared to all new hotms and I was hoping that she would be green heroes killer for me

[Guvnor]

Eh doh!!

I thought the special skill part was from Out of battle lol…

[Vikingblood80]

First try on Bjorn. The values will only be accurate if both type of monsters have a similar defense value. I assume this holds as both are on season 1 stage 12-8

First hit 360/346 +4%
Second hit 889/661 +34%

No attack buff active. The value of first hit is definitely too random. Second may be more accurate.