Do you have 2 El Duque ?
I think you should try Oceanus, Sun, Khufu, El Duque, El Duque if you want to 
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x2 El Duque will make it easier to get x10 stack.
I only have one El Duque ā¦ and I canāt seeing 2X El Duque being stronger than Franz+Zenobia?!
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Neither would I everā¦ Cant believe I am counter arguing for lost case ā¦ 
but!
2 El Duques would reduce titan defense by 90%ā¦ You insta throw 5 cyclones and 90% def down is accomplished in 10 seconds 
Might be more relevant for mythic!
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Ok, let me explain.
Note : This is an approximation.
Franz boost damage by 50% but you have to go with x4 red so he actually boost damage by 20% (5 red = 100%. 4 red + Franz = 80% x 150% = 120%.).
Zenobia increase tile attack by 64% but you already have Oceanus who already increase attack by 120%. Let say you can apply Zenobiaās tile buff to 50% of all red tile that hit the titan. So, she boost damage by about (100+120+64/2)/(100+120) = 14.55%.
x2 El Duque. Let say you take 1/2 of total time (which can be done much faster by Hurricane) to get 10 stack. So, they boost damage by about 900/2 = 450%.
Both heroes boost damage by about 37.45%. Compare to x2 El Duque who boost damage by 450%.
@u2371 We are talking about daily titans. Hurricanes do not factor in as that is not a cost effective weapon for daily use. We literally just spawn a Nature titan and this is my first flag. I would love to see anyone beat this score with El Duque in any team with forge-level weapons.
My very FIRST hit of fire tiles was 10K single tilesā¦ no need to build up to it. I have this full video but can only post screen shots here:
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@u2371 In that fight, I fired Zenobiaās special 4 times ā¦ once was in the last 10 seconds. Titans die from tiles, not specials. Firing that many specials just to get DD wastes an enormous amount of time and tiles.
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@u2371 2nd Flag
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Sorry my friend, but none of this math makes sense to me.
It seem to be impractical to do that with forge-level weapons 
. Even with more El Duque, I am not sure if that is worth or not. It might do more damage but I think it isnāt worth to max many El Duque just for green titan.
And I still donāt see any video of him against normal titan .
However, I think El Duque will have big effect on mystic titan. I think he will replace Franz.
@Colonel Do you have any El Duque ? (I really want to see how powerful x10 stack is .)
i donāt think this is an accurate approximation of how the tile damage calculations would work. Jekyl has done videos showing that mono tile power is the equivalent of bringing 7 heroes to a fight. four heroes of the same color is looking at approximately 5x to 5.5x the power of 1 hero for tile damage, but all those numbers were run without any buffs or ailments applied. because of the scaling of how tile damage works, buffs and ailments can scale slightly more than might be intuitively thought.* not to mention, because (i donāt think?) we donāt have the exact damage formula, i donāt think weāve been able to suss out exactly what kind of effect heroes like Zenobia, Ratatoskr, Karnov, and Jott have on tile damage.
my only suggestion to see if @JekylandHyde could possibly do more damage is replacing Zenobia with Shadereave. you get an additional, consistent attack up buff, so you could possibly replace the Dragon Banner with something else, and you get Shadeās crit boost.
*i base this statement on observation, not hard data.
I have Shadereave that gives the +30% attack and +30% crit. I also have Ares that gives +54% attack for 3 and +36% crit for 3. I have not seen an improvement with either of them.
Keep in mind, that my Shadereave, maxed emblems for attack is only at 693 attack. For him to replace Zenobiaās 974 attack is giving up a MASSIVE amount of tile damage. That is nearly a 30% difference in BASE attack which gets much worse when we add buffs/ailments. So ā¦ no Shadereave for me
lol, if you do not think that an El Duque set up canāt beat my team forge-level for forge-level, then what is the point of this conversations?! 
I feel like are dogs chasing our tails. haha
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This approximation work ok at high Atk/Def as I say before. Yes, when that is DD and high EDD, it will be different. However, this approximation assume that there is no more specific change at high Atk/Def. That is why I need someone to test it to confirm.
Yes, at low Atk/Def it will be like that.
Yes, we still donāt have exact damage formula but we can make approximate function formula that is very accurate with only Ā±1 error.
It is possible to find out how āZenobia, Ratatoskr, Karnov, and Jottā increase the tile damage and approximate it. In fact, it work just like +%Atk. For example, you have +30%Atk from Kiril buff and you have +64%Atk from Jott buff on tile. Each hit will be like you have +94%Atk with normal tile.
After I think again, it is possible.
If someone use ā5 Mana Potion + 5 Minor Mana Potion (with level 29 magic troop or level 23 magic troop with the 2% node)ā (x5 El Duqueās stack) and ā5 Super Mana Potionā (x5 El Duqueās stack), he can get 10 stack pretty early and still have 5 tornado left. He may not have +30%Atk from Dragon Banner but that is very small when compare to x10 El Duqueās stack.
And he need only 1 El Duque (Why cannāt I think of this before I talk about x2 El Duque ).
Could you test this by replace Zenobia with El Duque ?
I have El Duque but I am not sure what yāall are talking about. Mine is 4.80 with no emblems tho. All my monks are sitting in 3 tarlaks and 2 rats getting ready for the blue Mythic Titan. His D down stack does stack with regualr and elemental D down. My team is Wilbur costume Sun Khufu Zenobia and Franz. Not sure I have any room for an El Duque on a green titan team.
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Could you test El Duque by replace Zenobia with him ? Also use level 29 magic troop on El Duque.
Use ā5 Mana Potion + 5 Minor Mana Potionā on him to fire 5 times and use ā5 Super Mana Potionā to fire 5 times at start of the battle.
Lol wrap up a summary for me. Whatās the point trying to be made here?
I want someone to test how powerful -90%Def from x10 El Duqueās stack is .
Replace who on my normal team? Each component is needed and El Duque will be a downgrade from any of the other heroes.
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Replace Zenobia. She is the one who has the least effect.
This statement makes no sense, zenobia is a monster on titans.
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