I also use him in my defense sometimes. Yes he can survive well on his own as well with his speed and stoneskin
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The OP is now adjusted with the June balance updates.
Would love to get this hero down the road for titans
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He got a decent upgrade. I maxed him a month ago. He is just a so-so hero. He is very fast but his hit is meh and maximum stack you can get is about 3-4 stacks during one raid. Comparing him with C Marjana, he is less appealing even though he has stoneskin and he is VF. With the current buff, he now has a edge to C Marjana.
I didnât have a great titan team for green titans. added him in and he has definitely improved my scores and he is only at 4:1. canât wait to finish leveling him and really see how the new update improves the scores in the future.
Could any one try x10 stack from El Duque against titan ?
Without using the mana portion, U am wondering if multiple El could achieve that 10 stacks.
Yes, multiple El can stack on top of each other but it need a lot of his skill 
. However, I think -90% def will pump damage to 1000% but need someone to conform 
.
Most stacks I ever got with one is 4. However, I donât go crazy with items. Could probably get that higher. Not 10 though, lol.
When I have tried it in Beta I could reached 10 stack, but just for the last few seconds of a normal titan fightâŚ
You probably have an easier time maxing the stack on mythic titans.
How much damage it do when compare to no stack ?
@JekylandHyde Do you have El Duque and could you make a video of him against titan with -90%Def ?
I have seen 5k+ tile damage on 14 star rare titan, and I have not brought the colour what strong against the titanâs element.
Maybe it was a holy or dark rare titan.
And I have went with red mono.
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Oh, that is crazy. I think he boost much more damage than Franz 
.
I have El Duque, but would never use them against a titan. Titan scores come from tiles, not specials.
My 4* Sun Shangxiang starts the titan with -60% on titans before a single tile is thrown.
Even if I start El Duque at -9%, We are talking about 48 tiles to get to -90% ⌠not counting the time wasted firing 8 specials. That is a ton of tiles not benefiting from -60% DD.
I do not see mathematically how El Duque could ever be better than 4* Sun on a daily Titan.
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I used mana potion to charge El 5 times at the beginning. In the end, he can get 7 stacks. With Wilbur/C Marjana as well as 48% attack booster, the title damage is around 4000.
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Thank you for answer.
No, you can use both El Duque and Sun Shangxiang. Both are stack with each other.
I know if it hard to get 10 stack on normal titan. However, from @PlayForFun test in beta, if you get 10 stack on titan, you can easily get 10k+ damage tile against green titan. In fact, if you also use Franz and more buff, you might able to get up to 20k damage.
I donât know how many buff and ailment there when @PlayForFun test but I am very sure isnât maximum.
From theory, â-90% defâ is stronger than combine â-60% Sunâs Def down + -54% C Marjanaâs E-Def down + -30% Asteriusâs Def downâ (total = -87.12% def)". And moreover, they can be stack with all those ailment. That mean it is like you have twice total Def down which will boost damage by a lot.
Anyway, it is really hard to get 10 stack on normal titan. Not 100% sure if it is really worth or not. That is why I want you to try . (But if you really donât want to try. That is fine. I am ok with that because I donât have El Duque so this test isnât important for me. (I just want to know ))
In fact, El Duqueâs stack will be extremely powerful when it reach 10 stack.
Damage boost approximation calculation (Note : This is a simple calculation base on Atk/Def which work ok at high Atk/Def)
| Number of El Duqueâs Stack | %Damage Boost |
|---|---|
| 1 | 109.89% |
| 2 | 121.95% |
| 3 | 136.99% |
| 4 | 156.25% |
| 5 | 181.82% |
| 6 | 217.39% |
| 7 | 270.27% |
| 8 | 357.14% |
| 9 | 526.32% |
| 10 | 1,000% |
As you can see, 10 stack boost damage much more than 7 stack.
I realize that, but we can only take 5 heroes 
I run Sun (Huge DD), Khufu (Huge EDD, Franz (DMG +), Oceanus (Huge ATTK Up), Zenobia (Tile Booster).
There is no place on this team for such a slow DD hero. Yes, El is VF, but it is amazingly wasteful on tiles to get to that big DD. All of those tiles are ones that could be better counted with other buffs/ailments.
I already get that and much quicker.
I am highly skeptical of anyone getting near that number on a 14* titan with currently available troops/heroes/etc.
I see no reason ⌠happy to be proven wrong, but I am hitting 180-220K with forge-level weapons. I donât see it getting stronger with El.
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