NOTE: Please do not, under any circumstances, share IMAGES OR VIDEOS from Beta in this or any public Forum thread. Violations can cause players to lose their Beta accounts, or threads to be closed down.
#hero-balance Forum Tag
This thread is tagged with #hero-balance , allowing Forum members to choose to increase or decrease their visibility of this and similar threads.
For more information, please see: 🔔 Watching or Ignoring Hero Balance/Buff/Nerf Threads
Details from Beta, especially brand-new Beta content, don’t tend to be very reliable for actual release.
It’s incredibly common that features are changed during Beta testing, or sometimes even after testing but before release. That is, after all, the purpose of Beta testing.
So I wouldn’t get too attached to any of this — it’s not unheard of for entire portions of features to be removed or reworked, or for radical changes to functionality to be made.
When a Hero reduces an enemy’s max health, it now also removes all boosted health from that enemy
Tomes of Experience no longer remove Ascension Material requirements when leveling up Limit Broken Heroes
Using a Tome of Experience will instead give you a certain amount of Trainer Heroes
Food, Iron and Experience costs will still be fully covered
+60 Power
+50 Power
Plains Hunter family
Jungle Hunter family
Abyss Hunter family
+40 Power
Bard family
Mighty Pet family
+35 Power
Musketeer family
Masked God family
+30 Power
+25 Power
Styx family
Springvale family (Heroes released in 2023)
Sun family
Moon family
Guardian family (Heroes released in 2023)
Avalon family (Heroes released in 2023)
Pirate family (Heroes released 2022 onwards)
Ninja family (Heroes released in 2023)
+20 Power
Cupid family
Lunar Year family
+15 Power
Underwild family (heroes released December 2022 onwards)
Gargoyle family
Winter family (Heroes released 2022 onwards)
Morlovia family (Heroes released 2022 onwards)
+10 Power
Kingdom family
Kalevala family
Legends 2023 family
Atlantis family (Heroes released 2022 onwards)
+5 Power
Underwild family:
Old: 5% attack / 5% defense / 10% health / 5% mana
New: 8% attack / 8% defense / 13% health / 5% mana
All Valhalla Realms + Guardian, Pirate, Grimforest, Wonderland, and Avalon families:
Old: 5% attack / 5% defense / 10% health / 5% mana
New: 7% attack / 7% defense / 13% health / 5% mana
Legends 2017 and 2018 families:
Old: 3% attack / 3% defense / 6% health / 1% mana
New: 5% attack / 5% defense / 10% health / 5% mana
Taunt:
Duration of Taunt received at the beginning of battle and each enemy wave reduced: 4 → 3 turns
Affected Heroes:
Ludwig
Queen Anne
Krampus
Kara
Queen of Hearts
Black Knight (Costume)
Shrubbear
For a full list of items currently in Beta testing, as well as their related threads, please see:
33 Likes
P
Papyros
Stats increased
Attack: 788 → 813
Defense: 795 → 819
Health: 1501 → 1569
Sand damage dealt by Sand Golem Minion increased: 285 → 294 over 3 turns
Penolite
Stats increased
Attack: 817 → 832
Defense: 747 → 762
Health: 1472 → 1516
Peppermint
Stats increased
Attack: 809 → 824
Defense: 821 → 836
Health: 1417 → 1460
Poison damage increased:
OLD: 272 damage, and an increase of 16 damage per each Dark shield on the board over 4 turns, up to 400 damage
NEW: 280 damage, and an increase of 16 damage per each Dark shield on the board over 4 turns, up to 408 damage
Perseus
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 746 → 761
Defense: 718 → 732
Health: 1449 → 1503
Perseus (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 746 → 761
Defense: 718 → 732
Health: 1449 → 1503
Phenexa
Stats increased
Attack: 782 → 819
Defense: 813 → 850
Health: 1454 → 1567
Porthos
Stats increased
Attack: 819 → 852
Defense: 793 → 826
Health: 1485 → 1584
Prof. Lidenbrock
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 782 → 804
Defense: 847 → 871
Health: 1533 → 1575
Prof. Lidenbrock (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 778 → 800
Defense: 843 → 867
Health: 1552 → 1594
Q
Queen Anne
Stats increased
Attack: 708 → 741
Defense: 889 → 922
Health: 1580 → 1676
Taunt Aether Power duration reduced: 4 → 3 turns
Buff duration reduced: 6 → 5 turns
Defense buff reduced: +65% → +60%
Queen Guowang
Stats increased
Attack: 778 → 807
Defense: 813 → 842
Health: 1555 → 1635
Amount of mana given to all allies each time an enemy uses a Special Skill reduced: 10% → 6%
Queen of Hearts
Taunt Aether Power duration reduced: 4 → 3 turns
Defense buff against Special Skills reduced: +74% → +64%
R
Rhys
Stats increased
Attack: 826 → 863
Defense: 786 → 824
Health: 1398 → 1509
Cleanse effect removed
Roughian & Nurgib
Stats increased
Attack: 801 → 809
Defense: 708 → 716
Health: 1474 → 1503
Roz
Stats increased
Attack: 813 → 873
Defense: 782 → 842
Health: 1514 → 1676
Ruby
Direct damage adjusted
1x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 290% → 240%
Rumpelstiltskin
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 769 → 784
Defense: 732 → 746
Health: 1494 → 1535
Rumpelstiltskin (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 759 → 773
Defense: 741 → 755
Health: 1505 → 1546
S
Sekhmet
Stats increased
Attack: 865 → 889
Defense: 758 → 782
Health: 1421 → 1487
Serandite
Stats increased
Attack: 891 → 916
Defense: 764 → 788
Health: 1371 → 1435
Healing reduction and Burn damage adjusted:
1x mana charge:
Burn damage increased: 248 → 256 damage over 2 turns
Healing reduction lowered: -64% → -50%
2x mana charge:
Burn damage reduced: 546 → 453 damage over 3 turns
Healing reduction lowered: -74% → -64%
3x mana charge:
Burn damage increased: 816 → 840 damage over 4 turns
Sergei
Defense reduction against Dark lowered: -54% → -44%
Set
Stats increased
Attack: 782 → 807
Defense: 817 → 842
Health: 1514 → 1582
Poison damage increased: 315 → 324 damage over 3 turns
Shrubbear
Taunt Aether Power duration reduced: 4 → 3 turns
Sif
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 827 → 843
Defense: 751 → 766
Health: 1472 → 1513
Sif (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 788 → 803
Defense: 784 → 799
Health: 1501 → 1546
Silvaria
Stats increased
Attack: 772 → 778
Defense: 743 → 749
Health: 1413 → 1425
Skadi
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 730 → 744
Defense: 832 → 848
Health: 1552 → 1594
Skadi (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 769 → 784
Defense: 800 → 815
Health: 1518 → 1561
Snow White
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 793 → 808
Defense: 784 → 799
Health: 1428 → 1467
Snow White (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 819 → 834
Defense: 763 → 777
Health: 1406 → 1445
Sobek
Stats increased
Attack: 834 → 859
Defense: 723 → 747
Health: 1532 → 1600
Staintongue
Stats increased
Attack: 850 → 898
Defense: 797 → 844
Health: 1400 → 1540
Poison damage increased: 342 → 363 damage over 3 turns
Sun Quan
Stats increased
Attack: 780 → 791
Defense: 788 → 797
Health: 1497 → 1528
Burn damage dealt by Wu Soldier Minion increased: 255 → 258 damage over 3 turns
T
Tahir
Stats increased
Attack: 791 → 795
Defense: 737 → 741
Health: 1411 → 1425
Tethys
Stats increased
Attack: 817 → 828
Defense: 760 → 770
Health: 1442 → 1468
Tetisheri
Stats increased
Attack: 805 → 830
Defense: 782 → 807
Health: 1524 → 1592
Tethys
Stats increased
Attack: 817 → 828
Defense: 760 → 770
Health: 1442 → 1468
Water damage increased: 390 → 396 damage over 3 turns
Thanatos
Stats increased
Attack: 791 → 815
Defense: 828 → 852
Health: 1448 → 1522
Thor
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 786 → 801
Defense: 771 → 786
Health: 1533 → 1575
Thor (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 767 → 782
Defense: 775 → 790
Health: 1574 → 1614
Tinsel
Stats increased
Attack: 838 → 852
Defense: 793 → 807
Health: 1400 → 1444
Turgruk
Stats increased
Attack: 836 → 846
Defense: 723 → 733
Health: 1378 → 1404
Tyr
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 810 → 826
Defense: 793 → 808
Health: 1443 → 1482
Bleed damage increased: 220 → 224 damage over 4 turns
Tyr (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 810 → 826
Defense: 793 → 808
Health: 1443 → 1482
Bleed damage increased: 528 → 540 damage over 4 turns
V
Väinämöinen
Stats increased
Attack: 788 → 799
Defense: 797 → 807
Health: 1452 → 1481
Viscaro
Stats increased
Attack: 727 → 731
Defense: 805 → 809
Health: 1382 → 1398
Viselus
Stats increased
Attack: 708 → 716
Defense: 817 → 826
Health: 1495 → 1524
W
Waterpipe
Stats increased
Attack: 815 → 863
Defense: 774 → 821
Health: 1503 → 1645
Minion health reduced: 12% → 6%
White Rabbit
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 767 → 782
Defense: 786 → 801
Health: 1488 → 1528
White Rabbit (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 778 → 792
Defense: 778 → 792
Health: 1477 → 1517
Winifred
Stats increased
Attack: 791 → 830
Defense: 793 → 832
Health: 1470 → 1582
X
Xandrella
Stats increased
Attack: 813 → 844
Defense: 782 → 854
Health: 1514 → 1724
Xenda
Stats increased
Attack: 819 → 834
Defense: 788 → 803
Health: 1464 → 1507
Burn damage increased: 292 → 300 damage over 4 turns
Xiaotu
Stats increased
Attack: 826 → 854
Defense: 786 → 819
Health: 1483 → 1497
Xiong Shanjun
Stats increased
Attack: 735 → 766
Defense: 877 → 908
Health: 1532 → 1621
Z
Zagrog
Stats increased
Attack: 772 → 776
Defense: 751 → 756
Health: 1394 → 1406
Zandria
Stats increased
Attack: 756 → 815
Defense: 819 → 879
Health: 1549 → 1711
Zengar
Stats increased
Attack: 819 → 879
Defense: 751 → 811
Health: 1569 → 1730
Frost damage increased:
OLD: 417 damage to the target over 3 turns, and 540 to the nearby enemies if the target is of the Fire element
NEW: 447 damage to the target over 3 turns, and 579 to the nearby enemies if the target is of the Fire element
Zhang Fei
Stats increased
Attack: 848 → 856
Defense: 749 → 758
Health: 1388 → 1417
Zhuge Liang
Stats increased
Attack: 700 → 710
Defense: 869 → 879
Health: 1516 → 1545
Zimkitha
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 735 → 749
Defense: 701 → 715
Health: 1541 → 1599
Zimkitha (Costume)
Stats increased (due to Costume Bonus increase)
Attack: 731 → 745
Defense: 716 → 730
Health: 1523 → 1580
The changes above contains all changes bellow.
List of changes without stat and aether power changes
Alasie (Costume)
Direct damage reduced: 436% → 386% to the target and minor damage to nearby enemies
Amethyst
Adjusted direct damage and amount of health absorbed by Fiends
x1 Mana Charge:
Direct damage reduced: 200% → 175%
Health absorbed by Fiends reduced: 32% → 19% of the target’s max health
x2 Mana Charge:
Health absorbed by Fiends reduced: 50% → 40% of the target’s max health
Anne
Direct damage reduced: 550% → 450%
Anubis
Poison damage increased: 486 → 501 damage over 3 turns
Aramis
Boosted healing per damage dealt reduced: 30% → 20%
Ailment immunity effect is now dispellable
Athos
Direct damage reduced: 470% → 440%
Brynhild
Mana speed changed: Fast → Average
Chomper
Bleed damage increased: 352 → 368 damage over 4 turns
Cinnamon
Frost damage increased: 496 → 524 damage over 4 turns
Cleaver
Health absorbed by Fiends reduced: 35% → 19% of the target’s max health
Cleopatra
Direct heal reduced: 65% → 55%
D’Artagnan
Burn damage increased: 1023 → 1065 damage over 3 turns
Doxan
Burn damage increased: 920 → 992 over 4 turns
Ekanite
Adjusted direct damage and Minion health
1x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 200% → 175%
Minion health reduced: 8% → 6%
2x mana charge:
Minion health reduced: 16% → 11%
Fortuna
Dispel effect removed
Health absorbed by Fiends reduced: 22% → 19% of the target’s max health
Furdinand
Cleanse effect removed
Damage share effect removed
Gravemaker
Burn damage increased: 306 → 312 over 2 turns
Gravemaker (Costume)
Burn damage increased: 274 → 280 over 2 turns
Guardian Gazelle
Heal over time effect removed
Guardian Gazelle (Costume)
Guardian Panther (Costume)
Direct damage reduced: 285% → 250%
Hachiko
Direct damage reduced: 270% → 245%
Maximum counterattack damage reduced
OLD: Counterattack with 80% of received damage for 4 turns. Increases by +20% each turn, up to 140%
NEW: Counterattack with 80% of received damage for 4 turns. Increases by +15% each turn, up to 125%
Hawthorn
Boosted healing over time reduced: 672 → 592 HP over 4 turns
Mana generation buff reduced: All allies receive a moderate → small amount of mana over 4 turns
Hel (Costume)
Direct damage reduced: 300% → 250%
Hypnos
Direct damage adjusted
1x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 220% → 175%
2x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 320% → 315%
Ignazio
Maximum direct heal reduced:
OLD: 25% health recovered with an additional 3% per each Fire shield on the board, up to 55%.
NEW: 25% health recovered with an additional 2% per each Fire shield on the board, up to 45%.
Iku-Turso
Water damage increased: 240 → 243 over 3 turns (+ 2 additional turns against Fire characters)
Jabberwock
Poison damage increased: 243 → 249 over 3 turns
Jabberwock (Costume)
Corrosive Poison damage increased: 402 → 408 damage over 3 turns
Jequn
Direct damage reduced: 200% → 175%
Jove
Direct damage reduced: 530% → 450% to the target and minor damage to all other enemies
Healing reduction adjusted: -75% → -50%
Kara
Taunt Aether Power duration reduced: 4 → 3 turns
Defense buff against Special Skills reduced: +74% → +64%
Khufu
Direct damage reduced: 450% → 415%
Klaern
Water damage increased: 205 → 210 damage over 5 turns
Krampus
Increasing defense buff reduced: +44% with a +10% → +4% increase each time the Hero is hit
Leonidas (2nd costume)
Direct damage reduced: 240% → 190%
Lewena
Direct damage reduced: 260% → 250%
Ludwig
Buff duration reduced: 6 → 5 turns
Defense buff against Special Skills reduced: +84% → +64%
Ma’at
Defense reduction adjusted: -34% → -30%
Magni (2nd Costume)
Defense reduction against Special Skills adjusted: -64% → -54%
Malin
Bleed damage increased: 340 → 364 over 4 turns (plus 2 additional turns against Dark characters)
Matilda
Poison damage increased: 324 → 330 damage over 3 turns
Milena
Direct healing reduced: 25% → 15%
Morel
Defense reduction adjusted: -34% → -30%
Nemesis
Direct damage adjusted
1x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 500% → 440%
Nyx
Direct damage adjusted:
1x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 220% → 175%
2x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 360% → 315%
Obakan (2nd Costume)
Direct damage reduced: 260% → 235%
Counterattack damage reduced: 95% → 85%
Ogima
Direct damage reduced: 275% → 250%
Otis
Bleed damage increased: 543 → 575 damage over 4 turns, starting low and increasing with every turn
Papyros
Sand damage dealt by Sand Golem Minion increased: 285 → 294 over 3 turns
Peppermint
Poison damage increased:
OLD: 272 damage, and an increase of 16 damage per each Dark shield on the board over 4 turns, up to 400 damage
NEW: 280 damage, and an increase of 16 damage per each Dark shield on the board over 4 turns, up to 408 damage
Queen Anne
Buff duration reduced: 6 → 5 turns
Defense buff reduced: +65% → +60%
Queen Guowang
Amount of mana given to all allies each time an enemy uses a Special Skill reduced: 10% → 6%
Queen of Hearts
Defense buff against Special Skills reduced: +74% → +64%
Rhys
Ruby
Direct damage adjusted
1x mana charge:
Direct damage reduced: 290% → 240%
Serandite
Healing reduction and Burn damage adjusted:
1x mana charge:
Burn damage increased: 248 → 256 damage over 2 turns
Healing reduction lowered: -64% → -50%
2x mana charge:
Burn damage reduced: 546 → 453 damage over 3 turns
Healing reduction lowered: -74% → -64%
3x mana charge:
Burn damage increased: 816 → 840 damage over 4 turns
Sergei
Defense reduction against Dark lowered: -54% → -44%
Set
Poison damage increased: 315 → 324 damage over 3 turns
Staintongue
Poison damage increased: 342 → 363 damage over 3 turns
Sun Quan
Burn damage dealt by Wu Soldier Minion increased: 255 → 258 damage over 3 turns
Tethys
Water damage increased: 390 → 396 damage over 3 turns
Tyr
Bleed damage increased: 220 → 224 damage over 4 turns
Tyr (Costume)
Bleed damage increased: 528 → 540 damage over 4 turns
Waterpipe
Minion health reduced: 12% → 6%
Xenda
Burn damage increased: 292 → 300 damage over 4 turns
Zengar
Frost damage increased:
OLD: 417 damage to the target over 3 turns, and 540 to the nearby enemies if the target is of the Fire element
NEW: 447 damage to the target over 3 turns, and 579 to the nearby enemies if the target is of the Fire element
@Nynaeve_alMeara ’s visual guide about the proposed changes:
36 Likes
Most of the balance changes are stat increases to five star heroes. Some big names like Aramis, Hawthorn, Ogima, C.Guardian Panther, C.Alasie see some small nerfs in here too.
But here are four that will effect me
I will probably strip Brynhild and never use her again.
Brynhild
Mana speed changed: Fast → Average
Yikes, all of those Soul Exchanges
Milena
Direct healing reduced: 25% → 15%
Not terrible but I don’t like it
Sergei
Defense reduction against Dark lowered: -54% → -44%
I’ve seen more talk about him than any other second limit broken hero. Maybe this will change. I didn’t limit break him yet, but maybe won’t now.
Shrubbear
Taunt Aether Power duration reduced: 4 → 3 turns
23 Likes
Wait… So the buffs are stronger for the newest and old heroes are ignored completely??? This is a big IMbalance update WTH.
64 Likes
Just threw 5 of the double limit broken heroes in a team at random and got a team power of 6205. This will make any match making reliant on power factor in these new family bonuses.
1 Like
PlayForFun:
Max Health reduction update
When a Hero reduces an enemy’s max health, it now also removes all boosted health from that enemy
wow. this seems pretty big. It will definitely boost the usage of max-health-reductors… maybe my Fura will come out to play now… and my Almur might see more use outside of Titans…
PlayForFun:
Tome of Experience update
Tomes of Experience no longer remove Ascension Material requirements when leveling up Limit Broken Heroes
rats!
23 Likes
Holy cow @PlayForFun . Thanks for the massive amount of information and work you put into this thread. Sheesh!
46 Likes
Ruskin505:
It wasn’t prioritized
Why do I even bother with this game still, oh cause I play with people I know, this is absolutely ridiculous they couldn’t get swept into a massive stat change like these other heroes and touch specials one a one by one basis… Not to mention the order is completely backwards, the older heroes need a larger buff than the newest.
Completely absurd.
30 Likes
I understand that ascension material requirements are no longer mitigated by Tome of Experience.
What about limit break materials, such as needed for advancing 89->90?
3 Likes
Great way to add some nerfs to heroes not really that strong, ie fortuna. Actually very disappointed in most of this. Just solidifies that we should cease spending due to the consistent unknown. They nerfed cleaver too and he was really not a threat. Just plain sad
21 Likes
Guardian Gazelle no longer heals, wtf!
41 Likes
You’re the man @PlayForFun ! Thank you!
7 Likes
PlayForFun:
Legendary Hero Costume Bonus changes per family
Underwild family:
Old: 5% attack / 5% defense / 10% health / 5% mana
New: 8% attack / 8% defense / 13% health / 5% mana
All Valhalla Realms + Guardian, Pirate, Grimforest, Wonderland, and Avalon families:
Old: 5% attack / 5% defense / 10% health / 5% mana
New: 7% attack / 7% defense / 13% health / 5% mana
Legends 2017 and 2018 families:
Old: 3% attack / 3% defense / 6% health / 1% mana
New: 5% attack / 5% defense / 10% health / 5% mana
Season 2 heroes costume bonus still
25 Likes
PlayForFun:
Magni (2nd Costume)
Defense reduction against Special Skills adjusted: -64% → -54%
Well, there goes my one strong hero.
I can’t even begin to imagine what they are thinking with all the buffs to the already top heroes. This looks like a terrible idea to me. Did they give any reasons?
9 Likes
planta
April 27, 2023, 3:21pm
19
They murdered my Furdinand and Rhys.
From what I can see, their objectives for this balance update are:
In short, new heroes weren’t standing out enough, being comparable to older costumed heroes and LB2 4*. It was indeed an imbalance update.
29 Likes
This seems to be mostly legendary heroes seeing a stat bump, so this would effectively make rare and epic heroes less valuable.
15 Likes
