Worth it to ascend bad 5*?

I think I’d prioritize Melendor over Caedmon as you seem very light on healers. Caedmon is a very solid green 4* though and you’ll want to up him eventually.

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Raid defense

Unless your alliance requires a minimum trophy level, do not worry about raid / war defense.

Raids, and war, are generally speaking, won on attack. So having four rainbow 4* 3.60 teams ( twenty total ) and two rainbow 4* 4.70 teams ( plus ten for thirty total ) is usually the best use of Hero XP and 3* ascension items.

My defense

Left to right, I use ( all 4* 4.70 heroes), Melendor, Grimm, Rigard, Scarlett, right corner hero ( usually 4* 4.70 Wu Kong since my other choices are currently weaker).

This can keep me just below Platinum arena, so I can open Platinum Wanted hero mission chest when I am attacking.


Boldtusk works great at 4* 3.60 for attacking. Bonus he is a very good Fighter class hero so when you eventually get him to 4* 4.70, Boldtusk uses different emblems than Wu Kong, Rigard, Melendor, Grimm & Scarlett.


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Atlantis offers a stand-out purple 4*, Proteus. Trouble is the odds of getting him in a 10x aren’t great. What you need is purples, so I’d be inclined to do the elemental summons instead. (If you were closer on TC20, then I’d say to wait; Tibertus will show up eventually in TC20.)

Rigard is a better healer than Sabina. Sabina’s twist is the debuff of foes, but Caedmon or Melendor will do that.

BTW, I agree that Caedmon should come before Melendor, given Rigard. You will want to do all your healers at some point, though, to give you at least one healer per Alliance War team.

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Worth mentioning sabina has the highest tile damage of dark tc 4*?

Probly not but i am anyways since that played a part in my decision to max her, extra healer for war was a bonus


Too many people think of riposte as a defensive tool. I use it strictly as an offensive tool. With the exception of kage whi debuffs before he hits, it makes snipers and AoE people Ripp themselves apart. And you can time it better when on offense.

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But Caedmon does not work well with Wu Kong while Melendor does.

Wu Kong improves match/ board/ physical damage most because you get the most damage rolls with your match/ board/ physical damage so misses even out with the x2.85 Damage buff.

Caedmon is a tank ( defense & HP ) with lower match/ board/ physical damage where Melendor is a glass cannon ( high attack) high match/ board/ physical damage.

Melendor has one of the highest heals in the game ( 42% which means it scales with +HP from talent grid unlike Heal Over Time ) to heal himself and Wu Kong.

Both Melendor and Caedmon dispell, and can miss when dispelling while Gambler’s Stance is active, but Melendor’s 42% heal is unaffected by Gambler’s Stance miss chance while Caedmon’s Special skill Damage can miss.

Melendor works well with Rigard in manual or auto play because he uses a different color mana so he fills up at a different time than Rigard.


I am looking for suggestions what to do with several sets of warm capes. I already gave Grimm(4-57), Boril(4-34) Kiril(4-40). I have a second Kiril(2-60) and Isarina(3-55) waiting but then I pulled Thorne. Do I stay with kiril2 and Isarina of hold the two set fromThorne. ( I have the toy for 5* blue leveling). I am thinking of eventually replacing Soyna(3-2) with Throne but it is 110 levels before the I couod use the first set of capes

My other healer are Melendor(3-56), Vivica(3-55) and Rugard(4-6)

I have Drake(3-55), Vivica(3-55), Joon(3-13) and Leonidas(3-1) I have the toys to raise one these to thier final step, which on. Viv seems to die before she can get her special off

I agree. I’ve never used any riposter in defense. Though I use a Cyprian who’s only at like 3.1 or so in every war and punch out / severely damage one team significantly above the team power I brought.

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No, no, not Thorne. Isarnia is a great choice. Yes, she’s slow mana, but she hits like a freight train. Take her on titan battles, toss a big mana pot at her at the right moment, and you’ll do really well. I still face a lot of Isarnia in Diamond defenses.

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Why Wu Kong on defense if you have li xiu? Also I think Caedmon is a better choice than melendor because melendor defensive stats are pretty low so he ends up dying before he gets to heal very often but Caedmon has decent stats all around, fast mana hitter he’s just more useful in more situations. Also little John is really good too but more as an attacking hero than defending hero again because of defense stats.

All 3*'s: Ok, I’ve got Balthazar (like) use on titans. I’ve had prisca (dislike). Renfeld & Oberon I’ve fought, Renfeld easier to beat. Best 4* I believe is Cyprian cause of the counterattack is wicked.
5*'s purple Quintus, Obama, & Sartana really bad a$$ in that order (fought), Finally Domitia I’d love 2 personally have, but haven’t had any experience with. Good Luck out there. :+1::slight_smile:

I’ve had Wu Long & Li Xiu didn’t like either, used them for My Sonic Bear…

That’s strange because hu Tao and li xiu have almost the same stats except hu Tao has slow mana instead of li xius average mana. And blind is a good ability but preventing enemy specials going off by mana cut is better. Also Wu Kong is a staple hero for titans if you want to increase your average score.

so finish off Isarnia and second Kiril before touching Thorne? would u keep leveling Soyna to keep the war team balanced?

Yes, I’d do:

  • Isarnia
  • Kiril#2
  • Sonya
  • Thorne?

Thorne is widely viewed as a weak 5*. I’d hold off work on him in the hopes that a better option comes along.

So an update on this one:

In my desperate search for a purple, some saved up Atlantis coins luckily got me a Proteus. Hooray.

However, since I had enough for a 10 pull anyway, I did it, and now I have more questions:

  1. I’ve started to get duplicates (Boldtusk, Caedmon and Wu Kong). Is it worth having 2 of any of these heroes (because they’re good), or do I just feed them and start fresh with new ones like Wilbur, Sonya, Buddy and Triton?
  2. To my dismay I got another terrible 5* to go with Owl, Mok-Arr and Aegir: THORNE of all people. I know not to level him up, but ■■■■…Anyway, I actually have enough mats to fully ascend a yellow 5*, but all I have is Owl. Should I just do it? I could be waiting forever for someone better and in the right team he could be ok?
  3. I also got Danzaburo, who seems like a fun but risky hero…worth it?

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Grats on Proteus; clearly one of the best 4* in the game. My alt is giving all his Wizard emblems to Proteus.

Some heroes are worth holding doubles (or more). Mostly this is for wars, so keep those that are good war candidates. Of the three you mention, I’d definitely hold the Boldtusk and Caedmon and likely eat the Wu — Wu is mostly about titans. But unless you’re really crunched for space and don’t want to spend the 50/100/150 gems to expand you inventory, I’d just hold them all.

Re Owl—no. Isn’t his case I’d follow @Gryphonknight’s “no regrets” policy and hold off on ascending Owl until you have enough for Owl and the Joon that will pop out of your TC20 moments after you spend those rare darts on Owl.

Re Danzaburo—my alt has him and uses him fairly often. Good stats and ⅔ of his special attacks are really great. I don’t use him on my main because I don’t like randomness on high-stakes attacks.

Game of Duplicate Thrones, er Heroes

Quick answer:
Roster slots are cheap, hold on to at least 2 of any 4* you use. Just do not level them yet.

4* healers are really useful, especially now that classes let you take them to 4*+15 or +19. I personally hold onto 3- 5 depending on my play style at the time ( yes I have deleted 4* healers only to save them later. This game is built on duplicates ).

Hold onto 1 of each 4*. With “Raid” and other new features coming, you do not want to be caught without a particular 4* hero. I still don’t have Cyprian ( reflect damage is handy when attacking ) and the tales of accounts with no Wu Kong are legendary.

P.S. Congrats on Proteous “The Mini Hel with a few semesters of Wizard”. I prefer Kiril’s special skill for a Wizard, since they work well together. But Proteous’ Scar of the Depths is so incredibly powerful, I will be taking both Kiril and Proteus to 4*+1, then Proteus to 4*+19 just to increase Proteus’ base stats ( I just summoned Proteus a few hours ago. :grin: Still no Delilah :frowning_face: ).

This. Did I mention, this. Also, this.


Oooo shiny

Depends on his roster, Wu Kong 4* 4.70, and a second at 4* 3.60, were main parts of my war attack team until I summoned Guardian Jackal ( taking to 4* 4.70 ) and Joon ( taking to 5* 3.70 ). Even though Wu Kong is the glass cannon of Classic yellow 4* heroes, he is one of the tankier glass cannons. With the current meta, I would not use 3* ascension items to level two Wu Kong to 4* 4.1, or higher but I intend to build a 4*+19 team around Wu Kong 4*+19.

I agree that Fighter Boldtusk and Druid Caedmon are very nice.

I dream that one day the perfect center/ perfect flank heroes for a Guardian Owl team will be introduced to the game. Mainly because I am an ex-GM and amateur game designer. But this is most likely a dream that will be crushed.

VIP heroes

Both Wu Kong and Wilbur are worth building teams around. They are that good.


Tactics, and hero choices, for Wu Kong’s Cascade Squad

Fighter Boldtusk perfect

Druid Caedmon very nice


I had a fire double but wasn’t going to make it to 8/8 so i held them both until i figured the 4/8 would level up the other one, so if u won’t make it i’d at least try 2 get up another level, 4 me it worked. I’d love 2 get boldtusk, he’s brutal 2 battel, really Strong.

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