Titan Tier Rewards Question – do higher loot tiers with the same number of ascension mat rolls have higher percentage chances for unfarmable ascension mats?

[Rhea1123]

I know how Loot tiers are calculated and I know the threshold of basically loot tier 8 and over gives 3 ascension mats. I’ve been trying to locate on the forums SPECIFICALLY does higher loot tiers give better % chance for rewards (3 and 4* ascension mats)?
Sorry if this is an old question but all I could find on titan rewards are complaint threads : and what determines your Rank and Loot Tier.

Thanks

[zephyr1]

@Rhea1123

I know the threshold of basically loot tier 8 and over gives 3 ascension mats.

It’s actually loot tier 9.

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@Rhea1123

SPECIFICALLY does higher loot tiers give better % chance for rewards?

Yes, on average, though obviously any given loot result can be good or bad at any tier.

Here are some spots this has come up in discussion:

bonus: this has come up enough times that I get to quote solely @Kerridoc while still referencing multiple threads.

@Kerridoc

All loot rolls are merely chances. Higher tier=better chance. But all tiers have a low probability of getting rare mats—higher tiers just have a higher low chance.

On any given titan, a “C” could draw a telescope while the A+ gets garbage. But the A+ had a better chance, before the fact, of getting the telescope.

@Kerridoc

You fight titans to have a CHANCE at good loot. Higher loot tiers have higher ODDS of better loot items. In particular, there’s a step change getting to loot tier IX, which always gives three ascension items. Sometime strong rope or a backpack, sometimes a sturdy shield or mystic rings. My Loot Tier XII chest this morning had garbage, too, but sometimes it doesn’t.

@Kerridoc

I realize you’re giving an example, but let’s make sure the facts are out there:

Who?	Grade	Loot Tier
Top 1	A+	Titan+3
Top 2-5	A	Titan+2
Damage>=3.3%	B	Titan+1
Damage>=1.0%	C	Titan
Damage<1%	D	Titan/2

Higher loot tier gives two benefits:

1. More loot rolls. At Loot Tier IX, you are guaranteed three ascension mats (mostly farmable)
2. Better odds of rare loot with each roll.

@Rigs general point is correct: if your allies report their loot on in chat, you’re more likely to hear someone with a B/C say “yea, I got darts!” – because there are a LOT more of them. In my alliance, 25 people get a B or C every titan. Collectively those 25 get more rare loot than the top 5 but–and this is the key point–over time you get better stuff at higher loot tiers.

I know this firsthand by comparing my main account (hitting 12* titans, getting A-C rankings) or my alt (hitting 9* titans usually, getting A-B rankings). The flow of mats to my main account over the course of six months is much higher. Higher loot tiers matter.

[Rhea1123]

Lol ty again @zephyr1 always on the ball.I actually read these! That’s why I didnt want to be an annoyance by restating it. I guess what I was looking for is if anything was really published as far as chances, for example loot tier 9 has a 1:20 chance for a 4* mat compared to loot tier 10 giving a 1:19.5 something along those lines.

[zephyr1]

No, I don’t think anyone has ever accurately determined the exact drop rates for each tier.

It’s been suggested to do so before, but given that it’s clearly quite low, it would take a lot of data — I’m guessing likely thousands of results for each loot tier — to meaningfully discern the shift in drop rate for each roll at each tier.

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@Garanwyn could probably estimate how many data points would be needed for a meaningful sample size with a high confidence.

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A relatively small data set approach to this was logged recently in these spots:

Titan Loot: Collating 67 Titan Drops

While I am familiar with the titan loot tiers, and have incorporated that information into the wiki’s titan page, E&P is so RNG based that just because a slot is devoted to an Ascension Material doesn’t mean that you’ll be getting a useful one… it just means that you’ll be getting one. It might be a backpack and it might be a damascus blade, depending on how the internal die rolls. Because I wanted to put more substantial data on the wiki regarding titan loot, I (and, thankfully, much of my al…

Setting Expectations: Titan Drops & Elemental Chests (updated)

Update: Adjusted numbers in Titan Kills tables to share with you general loot tier slots, along with specific percentages for 3* & 4* ascension mats per slot in particular. Over this past month or two, with the help of my alliance (Fateweavers!) I’ve been collecting data on three separate, particularly lucrative, loot sources: Titan Kills 5x Titan Kill Chest Elemental Chests Just the other day we hit the milestone of having 100 recorded titan kills and it just feels like a good time to call…

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A useful observation from the latter:

@Garanwyn

The second issue is that the reported percentages on titans should be given per loot type slot , rather than per titan . That way, the result is fully portable to higher or lower level titans.

I quickly ran the numbers on the data you have (thank you so much for making the underlying data available!). Here’s what I get on the AM:

There were 265 total reported AM in the data set. Within that, the breakdown is:

12 4*
58 3*
176 2*
19 1*

That means if we divide through by slots, we get:

4* AM: 4.5% per slot
3* AM: 21.9% per slot
2* AM: 66.4% per slot
1* AM: 7.2% per slot

This is actually very much in line with the 4* AM data that @kamikaze_assassin reported for 12* titans from CP.

[Rhea1123]

Ah thanks @zephyr1 I read some posts along the lines of these , I understand the info would be very difficult to process.
Basically we are currently killing 9*s and urging my allaince mates the break into B (loot tier x) because of the chances of better rewards (as they should strive for regardless) and having others withhold attacks .
Just wanted to make sure I was not giving out misinformation.

[zephyr1]

@Rhea1123

Basically we are currently killing 9*s and urging my allaince mates the break into B (loot tier x) because of the chances of better rewards (as they should strive for regardless) and having others withhold attacks .

What you ideally want is that as many people in your alliance as possible are in Loot Tier IX (9) or above.

On a 9*, that’s anyone in Rank C or higher — which is damage of at least 1% of the HP.

Rank B will indeed give Loot Tier X (10), which is useful for better odds, but not as big a win as the step up to 3 mat rolls in Tier IX. From what we know, the extra roll is a more meaningful impact than the increasing odds per roll as you climb tiers.

So it’s worth everyone getting into higher tiers who can, but you’re already in good shape just by killing 9* titans and making sure everyone is at least getting a C rank or above.

[Ace1]

Is there a percentage that goes up of ascension materials as titan stars grow

[JonahTheBard]

As I understand it, the loot rolls don’t get better, but you get more of them.

[ThePirateKing]

I also had a similar question. I am curious to know if there is a difference between loot tiers. My two primary questions are:

1. On the same titan are the chances for drawing AMs different at different loot tiers? For example, on a 9* titan loot tier 9 (C rank) vs loot tier 12 (A+ rank), both having 3 rolls.

2. For same loot tier, is there different drop rate for AMs based on titan star? For example, loot tier 9 on a 6* titan (A+ rank) vs 9* titan (C rank).

Has anyone tracked these data?

Thanks in advance.