⚖ Hero Balance Discussion: Bertila

This thread is for discussing whether Bertila is well-balanced, or whether you think she needs a buff or nerf.

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:bar_chart: Poll

  • I think Bertila is reasonably well-balanced overall
  • I think Bertila is excessively weak, and needs a buff (increase of their strength)
  • I think Bertila is excessively strong, and needs a nerf (decrease of their strength)
  • I’m not sure yet

0 voters


:speaking_head: Discussion

  • If you think Bertila is well-balanced, too strong, or too weak — why?

  • Are there specific, concrete suggestions you’d make to the game designers to alter Bertila? Or are there specific reasons you think they should remain unchanged?


Purpose of this thread:

To provide an aggregate place for the topic here on the forum; thus preventing there being like a million threads popping up. And to provide an actual set of impartial votes rather than a #ideas-feature-requests which has no real voting.

In short, to neaten the forum and to give players and outlet for their thoughts on her balance without bogging down the rest of the forum or the other Bertila thread.

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I’ve watched the videos, read the praise, studied her card and simply cannot see that she is anything except slightly too weak to become a priority for anyone with a deeper bench.

I voted for too weak but it isn’t by much, I feel she is close but not quite there.

Addressing on key point the fans highlight: Bertila is an AoE doing 290% damage. That is excellent damage if all five are alive. By the time she fires there should be some dead enemies. The focus on her total damage potential is misleading.
Where she excels compared to a hit three is that she will hit all enemies left on the field of battle while a hit three can target a lone hero and become a hit one. In that regard she is “idiot proof” so AI cannot mess her targeting up and that is a very powerful thing in a last ditch hero.

When attacking, she really could use average mana speed and perhaps a slight decrease in damage to compensate.

She IS much better than SI slow heroes, Azlar is 205% damage to all with a six turn burn and Elena has 202% damage with riposte.
Isarnia’s defense down is so valuable that it is hard to argue against her. The roles are very different, Bertila looks like a finisher, Isarnia preps for your finishers and in this case, Bertila looks the better structured hero.

The mana gain from when her minions are killed is an excellent recompense for those fragile little minions.

I think she will be an excellent addition to a newer player’s roster.
For those with a lot of options and few ascension mats it seems that she doesn’t bring enough to the table, she seems content to wait patiently for tonics when we really want her to be barging to the front of the line and shoving the other green 5* out of the way.

She is a solidly decent hero but dominates no niche nor is she wildly OP so, yes, would be happy to have her take up a space on the bench “just in case” but I don’t have tonics to spare.

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I think she is about as strong as SnoWhite.
Both are slow, both hit strong, both take advantage eventually from status effects.

As such, i think she could be overall loved like SnoWhite is, aka so and so.

As mentioned, for a player with a deep bench there’s many option better then them.

Costume Magni, Lepus, Finley, Krampus, Athena, Alice, Cobalt, Ariel, Alasie, Micky, Vela if we talk about SnoWhite.
Frigg, Tarlak, Kingston, Ratatoskr, Alberich, Costume Kadilen, Francine, Heimdall, Zeline for what concern Bertila.

There’s a lot of heroes that arguabily are better/more safe to use everyday, and those two can’t add much more to them.

For a new player, she is surely better then Horghall :grin:

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This is perfect she is cool, but the 2nd special ain’t gonna kick in till late aginst others who put def down or attack, that can on a fast speed. Your defence is gonaa be half dead before the switch

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As she comes, she’s of no use against Titan, and weak in attack because of slow mana.
Could be use for wing’s defense as killhare but then the ailments twist after the hit is to weak.

She’s slearly to weak and need to be improved, for me she will have a real interest if :

  • Ailment twist come first
  • a bonus damage is added for each ennemi (or ally) killed
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She is the green version of Quintus, slow hit hard and don’t do noting else.

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In comparison to top heroes like frigg she really might need a buff, since frigg for example is doing nearly the same dmg if there is much green on the board and applies armor reduction in fast speed…
So actually her ailment Twist should Apply before hitting and either increasing her dmg to 300% at Slowenien speed or decreasing to around 235% at medium speed.

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Yes, reversing the order of her special would be an improvement especially considering that there might not be any ailments to reverse when she goes off. But, when there are ailments to reverse, they should be maximized at slow mana speed.

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Hello, it will be better if her mana speed is fast or average! She would be the perfect hero against Frigg, but she isn’t with this mana speed! Bertilas special is a good counter attack against
the def down of Frigg! If Bertilas mana speed will be balancing you need no nerf on Frigg.

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I agree 100% . She is slow, and this change give her a big improvement. She should give back the attack or deffense down First.

What is the problem to balance her? Please give her an accurate mana speed! I don’t level up a hero only for rush attack! That isn’t the spirit of the game!

Yep, and she would be a new Killhare, with bonus effect, elemental link… being, moreover, a very easy to get HOTM. Not sure this is a good idea. She’s already well balanced and interesting.

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@Makaveli

Then don’t level her. Simple as that.

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She is already quite good but best used for attack and events. Defense is meh. Remember that she is a fighter though.

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Okay, that’s your opinion, but tell me, which new 5* fighter has a slow mana speed and think on all the heroes? And E&P develops for example a Frigg with fast mana speed and def down on all enemies for S3! The HOTM has to be something special! I don’t want a fast mana speed, but average would be the accurate one!

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Cool! Thumbs up! Good and helpful answer!

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She could be a little too strong if average. I know slow heroes can be a little disapointing at start but once you master their combinations, everything gets fine. :slight_smile:

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