🧪 Early Information on General Hero Balance Updates [Part of The Beta Beat v30]

[Slobix]

Horghall is my first 5* hero, and I still use him - simply, I don’t have 30 better heros for wars… However, if bunch of old heros is going to get a buff, he definitely needs some help. At least, make him a bit tougher, with some defense increase. Or, increase a bit his attack stats…
I will try to get him a costume next week, but the odds are pretty lame.

[LogBomb]

Margaret looking like a bit more like a decent Hotm every day! Love it.

[Suicide_Bunny]

@zephyr1

• Horghall:
• Direct damage changed back to original.
• Khagan:
• Direct damage changed back to original.

Hmm… Not sure if I like this. These old heroes need some love, they are already light years behind.

@zephyr1

Guardian Kong:

• Dispels status ailments from all allies added.

That, and the higher damage, quite strongly makes me want to up him now. A little slower tham Zim and without the attack buff, but hitting like a monster truck. Interesting where this is going. Let’s see what July HotM is, those 6 rings may be used sooner rather than later.

@zephyr1

Guardian Owl:

• Attack and Defense changed back to original.
• Direct damage increased from 235% to 280%
• Damage increase per dead ally decreased from 60% to 50%

So… increase direct damage but lower the attack. I don’t think that helps him. Part of me says it should be both. Wonder what were the beta impressions on him that led to this adjustment. But this I think is way to little of a buff to take him out of the bin. Not with the very little base attack he has. Probably that Guardian Kong deals more damage now at average than Owl at very slow, and he doesn’t care how many enemies are alive.

[TWAndrews]

@chihanston

Kong as a cleanser might be worth giving Rings to now since I missed on Zimkithia!

Yeah, I’ve got him at 3.70 and wondering if he’s worth ascending now.

[Kadaxas]

I really like these buffs. Here are some more I’d like to see:

• Reduce Khagan’s damage, increase speed to Average

• Increase Horghall’s damage to 280%

• Increase Justice’s damage to 290% (or reduce it to 220% & make it average, so she’s still at least visibly better than Hu Tao)

• Increase Azlar’s damage from 205% to 230%. In his current state, since he’s not worth maxing, Colen is better than he is. I think as a general rule, a 3-70 5* should be better than a 4-70 4*.

• I don’t even know what to do with Thorne +30% Special Skill defense for 3 turns?

• Make Obakan’s nearby allies counterattack too

• Increase Quintus’s damage from 270% to 285%

• Add “+36% mana generation to self for 5 turns” to Guardian Owl’s skill, possibly making him terrifying as he should be if left alive for so long

• Let Mok-Arr’s special skill still do half damage vs. dark opponents

• Add “Targets get -54% Defense vs. Dark” to Sargasso’s skill

• Increase Boss Wolf’s counterattack damage from 115% to 125%?

• Increase Grimble’s damage to 250%

• Reduce Thoth-Amun’s damage to 185%-ish and make him Very Fast? ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I’ll admit I’m a bit crazy for suggesting it, but he could sure get interesting

• And about this chameleon:

@zephyr1

Guardian Chameleon

• Element change duration increased from 3 to 4 turns.

Is this even a buff? If you ask me, it just makes color swapping more predictable. This will make it easier to fight the chameleon when it’s on defense. I think fighting the chameleon with colors swapped is easier than fighting it with colors frequently swapping back & forth. That’s some head-bending. I’ve already said what I’d like to see for the chameleon:

@Kadaxas

For the chameleon, what if we do this: Instead of changing everyone’s colors to what they’re strong against, instead change them to the colors they’re weak against.

The results:
Suppose you’re stacking green to take down a blue tank (for whatever reason). Those reds can be a problem, yes? Pop the chameleon! Now they’re bite-sized blues too! Who’s the reds now? Their former blues. But them blues be gone already.

How’s that? I think the chameleon’s a puzzle to work with, but if this tweak gets made, Teltoc could be a more attractive place for summoning. I always thought it wasn’t a very good spot for 5* summons, but if this works in the chameleon’s favor, it wouldn’t be so bad.

I have fought the chameleon in a war once. It was in the tank position. If I stack reds, they turn green. Not bad against a green guy. But if they turn blue… Well, suddenly you have a formidable adversary that I might not mind having in my own roster one day. The potentially clever move then becomes bringing blue heroes so they can turn red. This would make for a weak start, which gives the Chameleon’s team an edge

[Panjunkie]

They finally figured how crappy and utterly useless Margaret was/is. Honestly, even with these buffs, she’s maybe now usable but not a good hero. That dodge skill is not a great component.

Hey SG, want to impress me, make her skill, 50-90% chance, then she can be of some real value.

[Panjunkie]

Also, I think they pulled they bait and switch again with all the initial buffs to the TC20 heroes only to do nothing to them. Better to make us chase costumes then give ftp and chance in the game.

(SG gives the proverbial finger to ftp/ctp players)

[TWAndrews]

@Kadaxas

Instead of changing everyone’s colors to what they’re strong against, instead change them to the colors they’re weak against.

This would be a nerf for GC. As it currently stands, the color shift makes green and red heroes one increment more vulnerable to green tiles. As for blue heroes, they’re already vulnerable, so you wait until they shift back before hitting them with powered up tiles. Which is why aligning the color shift with the attack bonus is actually a stealth nerf to GC.

[Natroneus]

I figured they’re just relying on costumes for these S1 heroes.

[Frozen]

The costumes it another heroes with the same names, you have to pay for them.

[Stifmeister]

I dont know about horghall but khagan and gormek didnt get buff cuz they will get costumes

[zephyr1]

@Wholf

So does this mean that Gormek, Horghall, and Khagan won’t have any changes made in the balance patch? Or just that no more testing is being done on possible changes for them?

It appears they’ll have no changes made, but it’s possible they’ll decide otherwise.

[Noble_Weasel]

Wow. I understand Gormek, since the reaction to his changes was so bad, but Horghall and Khagan are regularly mocked on the boards for being ineffective. Can’t believe they tried to buff them (a popular idea) and then just decided to let them be. Weird.

[King_Kyree77]

I disagree. Khagan would be no more threatening than Atomos. Both would be tough hitters that buff, nothing too drastic.

[BubblesUK]

Kong was already a very solid hero… Better than Azlar in almost every sense, and Azlar is hardly terrible.

Huge AoE for average mana, high tile damage AND cleanse? Easy A grade after this… could even surpass Panther as the most desirable guardian - that good!

[BubblesUK]

@Suicide_Bunny

That, and the higher damage, quite strongly makes me want to up him now. A little slower tham Zim and without the attack buff, but hitting like a monster truck. Interesting where this is going. Let’s see what July HotM is, those 6 rings may be used sooner rather than later.

Honestly if this sticks, I’m ascending a second one.

He’s already good, hugely underrated (think Azlar is ok? Kong is better in almost every sense)…
With both buffs? Easy A+ in attack. Still not a defender, but not every worthwhile hero is.

[DGERic]

@Punch

Of course, why would they buff khagan and horgall when those two are easily attainable in tc20. Where’s the profit in that? We should either spend on their costumes or spend on special heroes. Which is why only the special heroes were buffed, its obvious.

I’ve got the Horghall costume… it’s still not enough to convince me to take Horghall above 3-70.

[Gorann]

Anyway, if that were their sneaky plan, would they have reverted them before the costume chamber opens, thus giving us time to see they’re not being buffed after all and decide not to pull? A dirty dealer would have dragged it out until we already had.

[BubblesUK]

He’s already good pre-buffs… If these buffs stick, he’s seriously good.

What are your other options?

[Warco]

I’m so happy for my Margaret lol already kinda liked her at 3/70 in a ‘I heart the underdog’ kinda way but now I might stop leveling Kadilen and go for Margie. What do you all think?

…poor Horghall lolol