Lately I feel that it’s much more difficult for me to kill heroes that six months ago I had no problem killing (like for example S1 heroes), even though I now have better heroes and better troops.
It might be only because of the limit breakers, but I am curious if others have a similar impression and if so, what could be the explanation.
I remember that when I started playing (dec 2020), people were talking a lot about the defense bonus, but I thought it was taken out. Was there a change about it that maybe I am not aware?
Yes, it does and yes they changed something. Now it depends on difference between attacking teams TP and defending teams TP. When TPs are the same or att teams TP is just little smaller the bonus is full, but when the TP of attacking team is way smaller than the TP of the defending team the defense bonus gets reduced
Because last time someone checked, the team you used was irrelevant.
The only important part is the health of the defending hero compared to possible max and min health from 5* heroes. If it’s at max health it’s reduced if it’s at min it’s normal defense bonus.
480Hp dot in both battles (compared to the 430 we would expect just with troops but without defense bonus). So we see, the TP comparison between attacking and defending team is irrelevant.
480:430 is around 12% hidden def bonus in both battles.
Here is the latest formula I know for it although it seems it’s a little bit outdated
It seems not to be 100% correct anymore, back then with under 1000 attack Marjana should have had around 15% bonus, so it seems something else is calculated now or just the complete bonus reduced.
Yes it would be nice if we could get some information like this from the devs. Last news was they will test alternatives for defense bonus. Nothing what changes, nothing if it was successful, no information if its still ongoing or already ended…
Really frustrating.
About the war question, I can’t remember there was ever a difference between pvp, war or tournament, so I would think that’s still the same.
But it would be much harder to test because I can’t really attack the same opponent twice, and I definitely can’t waste an attack with a much weaker team just for this, my boss would kill me
I guess l found that info on forum cause it is the only place where l look for informations. But it seems that l’m wrong, so my apologise to you @The_Seeker for misleading you. I’m truly sorry.
Looking at the dot is the classic way, determining the hidden defense bonus.
There is no real other way because, well it’s hidden. You don’t see the stats bonus on def and att stats, the only thing were you can see it is dot. Dot scales with attack stats and so you can relative easy calculate the bonus heroes on defense get.
@Graff.von.Cilli no worries, the only one here at fault is the company who does not clarify the rules of its own game and let us research for unofficial information if we want to know something…
@ferg Here there is though an assumption that there is the same bonus for attack, defense and health and there are so many variables here…
Yes, the def part is just an assumption, I don’t know if anyone has ever proofed that it’s the same as the attack boost.
We definitely know that there is no hidden defense boost for life. Heroes in battle show the number they should and you can watch how much damage you do and this is exactly the number displayed.
We know the exact number for attack stats. Everyone can see that a hero on defense does more damage than the same hero on offense. But the attack stats displayed are similar, so there must be something else. Dot scales with attack stats and dot on defense is higher than on offense. So we can calculate the exact bonus those heroes get for their attack stats.
For defense it’s just a guess. I don’t know if this could be proofed someway, probably it can but not as easy as the attack bonus. I’m not sure if we even know for sure if defensiv stats were or are altered at all on defense. I think it was just assumed that the hidden stats bonus works for atk and def with the same numbers.
