5* stats lower than 3* with the same power?

[Minh]

If this question has been asked, please point me to the original post, as I couldn’t find it.

I have a leonidas 5* and a berden 3*, both have 449 power
Leonidas (atk/df/hp) = 407/400/680
Berden = 470/425/688

Berden I did use emblem first node only, which should not add so much difference?
In addition, I also have a Caedmon 4* with power 436, and his stats are: 411/412/730

So Leonidas’ stats are much lower than the other 2 with the same or even lower power, does that make sense? I thought power is calculated from the stats, with some maths formula, i.e. the 2 heroes with the same power should have at least 1 stat higher and 1 stat lower than the other, not all 3 lower?

[Elpis]

I guess the special attack is part of the formula, and Leonidas heal and mana cutting is surely overall more powerful.

[zephyr1]

@Minh welcome to the Forum!

Card Power takes rarity (i.e. 3* vs. 5*) and Special Skill level into account. Those likely account for the differences.

@Garanwyn

I’ve worked out the exact CP formula.

Each card has a base CP when stats are all 0. That value is:

1* Base CP: 0
2* Base CP: 10
3* Base CP: 30
4* Base CP: 50
5* Base CP: 90

Specials are worth 5 extra CP for each level after the first

Talent tree nodes are worth a flat 5 CP each, and stat increases from talent tree nodes don’t have a direct effect on CP (so whether the node gives you 15 Attack or 45 Attack, it’s still 5 CP). See the discussion in posts below for the details.

The Full Formula

CP=(base CP for stars) + floor(attack * 0.35 + defense * 0.28 + health * 0.14) + (special level - 1) * 5 + (Talent tree nodes) * 5

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If you post the Special Skill levels or screenshots of the cards, we can walk through the CP calculation.

[FrenziedEye]

Wow an invitation to walk through a calc, you really have 40 hours in a day @zephyr1!!

[AirHawk]

This only makes me miss @Garanwyn more.

[Minh]

Thanks so much. Sorry for not thinking about that.

Leonidas: CP = 449, stats = 407/400/680, level 38, ascension 1, special skill 3/8: deal 340% damage + reduces mana of target by 40% + heal caster for 75% dmg dealt.
Berden: CP = 449, stats = 470/425/688, fully ascended with talent node 1 only (5% to bypass defensive buffs when attacking). Deal 325% dmg + target gets -34% atk for 6 turns.
Caedmon: CP = 436. stats = 411/412/730, level 34, ascenssion 2, special skill 6/8: deals 335% dmg + dispel bufs from all enemies

From your formula I figure that the main difference is the base CP for ranks, with 5* = 90, 4* 50 and 3* 30. Isn’t that unnecessary? All the goodness of the 5* are factored in the special skills already, adding a 60 difference for nothing only makes it much harder to compare a 3* vs 5*. In this case I find Berden’s specials comparable to Leonidas, but his stats are much better (he’ll last longer at least), so he should be a better choice for matches?

[Sidhekin]

@Minh

From your formula I figure that the main difference is the base CP for ranks, with 5* = 90, 4* 50 and 3* 30. Isn’t that unnecessary? All the goodness of the 5* are factored in the special skills already, adding a 60 difference for nothing only makes it much harder to compare a 3* vs 5*.

The assumption appears to be that the specials of 5* heroes (at a given special level) are equally valuable, and more valuable than those of the 3* heroes. This assumption does not hold in general – CP is an approximation at best.

@Minh

In this case I find Berden’s specials comparable to Leonidas, but his stats are much better (he’ll last longer at least), so he should be a better choice for matches?

Sounds so to me too.