War matchmaking, number of players – different number of players from each alliance

[Lucine]

Sorry if this has been mentioned in a topic before, but I couldn’t find anything.

Our alliance has 14 members, and now we have been matched with an alliance with 18, of whom only 3 have opted out, so in the battlefield they have 15 members and we only 14, meaning they have 6 flags more than we do.

I’ve been playing for almost 2 years, so all the time the wars have been going on, and never have I come across something like this before. I thought the amount of players participating in alliances facing each other in wars is always the same.

We did have a member leave sometime yesterday, and I’m not sure if the matchmaking was going on then. One member also opted out but I’m sure she did so before the matchmaking.

Is this the way the matchmaking works, I’ve just never encountered it before?

[FraVit93]

The matchmaking try to pair alliances with the same strength and number but when the second parameter fails there could be up to 2 members’ difference, always pairing alliances with the same strength.

[Xxenia]

Where can I find the rule?

[FraVit93]

Here
https://support.smallgiantgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001566714-Alliance-Wars-Change-Log

[Xxenia]

But ther is only " * Player count of the alliance". I can not find an info that there can be a difference in the numbers of players

[General_Confusion]

You would have to search the forums for the place where this was talked about. Basically they said that when one team has opted in members than the other, there is a penalty applied to the with more so that they will typically be matched with a stronger alliance. The more members difference, the more the penalty. In theory the math would make it so matches with more than a 3 player difference wouldn’t happen.

[Garanwyn]

Alliance Wars Matchmaking (Discussion & Developer Response) MASTER

Just FYI: I double checked how the member limit works. It’s not an absolute 3 but based on the percentage of members in the alliance. Theoretically the difference can be as high as five members for an alliance of 30 members, but it is extremely unlikely to happen due to the scoring penalty I mentioned above.

[zephyr1]

@General_Confusion

You would have to search the forums for the place where this was talked about.

Here you go, all straight from the CTO:

@mhalttu

Matchmaking is based on the top 30 heroes of each player with extra weight on the top five heroes. The maximum member difference between alliances is currently limited to three.

@mhalttu

If we allow even smaller member count differences, the score difference between the matched alliances will be bigger. With that said, we have plans to AB test configurations where the maximum member difference is between zero and three.

@mhalttu

We actually allow a maximum member difference of 3 but we give a “penalty” to the war score for every difference in member counts. In other words, we strongly prefer matches with same member counts. We haven’t adjusted those numbers since summer. I’ll drop a note to the team to at least consider if we could or should make the formula slightly less strict, i.e. penalize member differences slightly less in the matchmaking.

@mhalttu

Just FYI: I double checked how the member limit works. It’s not an absolute 3 but based on the percentage of members in the alliance. Theoretically the difference can be as high as five members for an alliance of 30 members, but it is extremely unlikely to happen due to the scoring penalty I mentioned above.

[FraVit93]

Alliance Wars Matchmaking (Discussion & Developer Response) MASTER

Just FYI: I double checked how the member limit works. It’s not an absolute 3 but based on the percentage of members in the alliance. Theoretically the difference can be as high as five members for an alliance of 30 members, but it is extremely unlikely to happen due to the scoring penalty I mentioned above.

I know that the thread could be hard to find and it is long to read but in the changelog there were a link to it.

[Xxenia]

Thank you very much for the clarification

[paixtouras77]

Just wanted to mention that in todays war (17-12-2022) my alliance of 29 members got paired against an alliance of 30 members.As soon as the war started we realised that we were up against all of the opposing members,ditto 29 vs 30,giving us a disadvantage of minus 6 flags…Does it happen often?Should it be happening? SG many kudos for buffing Reuben!!!

[Star150m]

it is very rare. we had it a couple of times and always the side with the more members lose as they are made equal to the opponent with 6 more attacks

[Radar1]

Most likely there was odd number of 30 players alliances so one of them was matched with yours 29 players alliance.

[Sarah2]

FYI…

War matchmaking, number of players – different number of players from each alliance

Sorry if this has been mentioned in a topic before, but I couldn’t find anything. Our alliance has 14 members, and now we have been matched with an alliance with 18, of whom only 3 have opted out, so in the battlefield they have 15 members and we only 14, meaning they have 6 flags more than we do. I’ve been playing for almost 2 years, so all the time the wars have been going on, and never have I come across something like this before. I thought the amount of players participating in alliances …

Lost war due to the extra member

We lost the war because opponent had extra team how is that possible

Alliance Wars Matchmaking (Discussion & Developer Response) MASTER

We actually allow a maximum member difference of 3 but we give a “penalty” to the war score for every difference in member counts. In other words, we strongly prefer matches with same member counts. We haven’t adjusted those numbers since summer. I’ll drop a note to the team to at least consider if we could or should make the formula slightly less strict, i.e. penalize member differences slightly less in the matchmaking.

Facing an uneven number of war opponents, is not as rare as I once thought. GL

[paixtouras77]

Thanks for the info!Somewhat surprised that i got a quick answer from SG too through support,even if it was a bit generic… We΄ll do our best and overcome the deficit and win (haha).

[ahbombim]

No matter how much different, both team should have total 1500 point if swept for one time only each in one round.

[Sarah2]

Actually, sometimes to flip a team can be more than 1500pts… Just saying .

[Sarah2]

So … I was wondering…
What was the outcome of your war @Lucine?

[LadyJade]

War matchmaking for us stinks
Beat by 3000 is insane!

[H.V]

@ahbombim

No matter how much different, both team should have total 1500 point if swept for one time only each in one round.

And it should not be so in case of matching aliances with different number of members. Because it creates additional advantage for the bigger alliance. This way they not only have more attacks, but also each of their attacks is on average worth more points.