I currently have the following unmaxed Fire 5* Lady Loki at 3.40, Tyr at 2.60, Elizabeth, Reuben, Baldur, Elena, Marjana, Khagan and Yang Mai.
I already have Black Knight, Wilbur, Scarlett, Colen, Kelile and Colen maxed and with emblems (between +9 and + 20). All S1 heroes also have their costumes maxed.
I want to use this hero on offense and maybe on defense in wars (my alliances uses Fire heroes only as wings). My current raid defense team is Frigg, Rigard, BK, Sir Roostley and Cobalt, all maxed and with emblems. The only other maxed 5* I have is Elradir. I am working also on Master Lepus, Phileas Fogg, Costume Obakan and Costume Leonidas.
I am trying to decide between Lady Loki and Elizabeth. I know that everyone is really excited about Elizabeth, but my feeling is that she can be easily countered by healers (but indeed there are not many healers on defense). On the other hand the way Lady Loki throws all ailments of the other team is very exciting.
What are your opinions? Emblem wise I donāt have a lot of emblems for either of them. (They will have to share either with Fogg or with Leonidas)
Lady Loki disappointed me. I am pretty sure she will disappoint you also.
Offensively, she is useful only against certain line ups that rely heavily on ailments. As funny as it is, sending an ailment burst back at the enemy together with a decent damage doesnāt happen that often. Usually you will find yourself either waiting for her to get charged while being eaten by the ailments, or sitting on her fully charged but waiting until enemies get charged and fire an ailment at you (which usually comes with some damage etc that could be avoided if you just take them down with someone elseā¦).
Itās nowhere as exciting as it sounds. Not worth maxing her if you donāt have a deep bench of legendary reds really. Also, sheās not suitable for defense at all, as opposed to Elizabeth who is one of the best red defenders at the moment.
I agree with @Suicide_Bunny. I donāt have either of them (boo hoo), but I can say that I have lost count of the number of raids, tournament battles, and war battles I have lost because I couldnāt take Elizabeth out in time. In the same vein, I have never lost a battle because of Lady Loki. Yeah, Elizabeth can be countered by powerful enough healers, but until you counter her she is pretty vicious.
I have and use both, and must tell you - neither of them are panacea to all the problems out there.
Iām actually not that hyped about Elizabeth - for the most time, her special skill doesnāt decide anything in the battle. Although, it did happen a couple of times that those fiends and mana generation slow saved me - I just had to hold on a little bit.
But the same holds for Lady Loki. Against certain type of defences, she is a game changing hero, the one who turns everything around. Sheās often used as a back-up cleanser during war.
Whatever you decide, be ready to use them smartly.
But to be fair, sensible people donāt put Lady Loki on defence as the AI wouldnāt be smart enough to use her special appropriately. She needs a brain to work her properly. Elizabeth just needs mana.
Lady has always been one of the weaker S3 heroes because she is too situational. Sheās just too slow to work her niche. And unfortunately has just been outclassed by the new slayer Rian
Same for me. Lady Loki disappointed me, because she is usually too slow and squishy to be effective. In a defensive team, she is unreleable. On another hand, Elizabeth is really good in offense, and quite nasty in defense.
Got to be Elizabeth. I actually really like lady Loki I used her all the time when I first got her but defences have shifted since then and only really got good use out of her when GM and Vela were around though she can still be useful now just less often.
Elizabeth on the other hand is very useful in most situations. Yes a heal is a counter but the mana down and heal reduction can be crippling.
Thatās very true, and the same reason I donāt use Lepiota on defense. Some of these heroes need to be guided, while others need little to no guidance at all. Good point @Gorann
LL is one of those characters that can decide a match, but you have to plan your whole lineup around her. Her main setback is her average speed, which must be tackled bringing her to 9 tiles. Sheās also a little bit fragile, so embleming defensively helps too. She is great against JF, Vela, but also more meta relevant characters like Frigg, Morel, and many others. Sheās interestingly effective against Bera as well.
Elizabeth on the other hand is less situational, but definetely shines brighter on longer matches. If itās not decided yet and she fires, it makes a lot of difference. Her fiends double as a mana debuffers and healing preventers. Quite useful.
I find both very useful considering their own purposes, but Iāve been using Elizabeth way more, because of how bad LL synergyzes with Garnet (and also Grazul). You need ailments to hit for LL to work and Garnet is there to make sure ailments will be resisted. So thereās that.
My most used red 3-stack consists of Garnet, GM and Elizabeth for longer matches and YM for quicker ones. YMās EL is just too good and they help Garnet achieve 3x charges faster. LL became niche in my gameplay.
Iād do Lady Loki in your situation over Liz. You have BK for defense and that is good enough.
Liz on offense is not a killer but a low support hero
Lady Loki i use her a lot and she is very effective when paired with the right main attack reds on your offense team. Fire her after a heavy hitter goes off. Example I fire C-Marjana and follow up with LL she helps finish off a few players. Another way would be to use her special to fire back a Frigg or Morel defense down. She is useful but you have to learn how to play her because she is a support hero.
This game is not always about how can I instantly kill something.
On defense Lady Loki will have a minimal impact, generally just the AOE hit. For me Elizabeth has almost as little impact, as I always take 2+ healers in my teams and because of this I have a healer ready 95% of the time to counter her. I like to see her on defenses. But in case you donāt have a heal available the special is dibilitating, and so she definitely wins out over Lady Loki.
On offense I used to use Lady Loki all the time, but have ramped down her use significantly. This is not because she is not good, but rather because I have obtained 3 Elradirs and along with Myztero I like their reflect abillities more than hers. Elradir synergies with Myztero well, and then Emilio synergises well with Myztero. Lady Loki doesnāt synergise with either. However, I did use to run Lady Lok and Myztero together as I could have 2 options in 2 different colors, and because I could hold Myztero if required they didnāt work too badly together. But definitely not as well as Myztero and Elradir.
Where Lady Loki is useful is as a cleanser specifically in red who can also do a decent AOE hit and also reverse the ailments. I sometimes use her with Noor so that Noor becomes an effective counter to Bera. At 9 tiles she is fast enough and with emblems I donāt find her fragile at all.
Elizabeth seems like she would be useful in offence - I sometimes use my Lord Loki on one in defense. If you can use the special early enough it will give you a distinct advantage throughout.
Overall I would probably give the edge to Elizabeth, although if you need a powerful cleanser in red then Lady Loki wonāt disappoint.
Thank you very much everyone for your answers and especially to the ones who gave details about their experience on the āhowā they find each of the two.
At the moment I am inclined to go a bit more towards Elizabeth, as the Lady is more situational on offense and my current roster is still growing, I have Elradir to reflect DoT and I have to think for an alternative to BK for war defense.
I will get Lady Loki though all the way to 3.70 to use if the need really arise since she is close to that level and my roster is still underdeveloped and I also use heroes at 3.70
I prefer a 3/2 strategy usually or as I call it, a major/minor stack.
Because of that, I usually look at heroes how they work in pairs, rather than individually.
When it comes to Beth or L. Loki, I usually play them together as part of a minor stack or with cBoldtusk as a major stack.
Theyāre average mana, and between them they have good direct damage to all, fiends to all, and situationally plenty of ailments. When you consider the āstolenā healing, these two heroes can make a huge impact.
That said, L. Locki by herself is underwhelming because of her mana speed. On bad starting boards, by the time she is charged, itās probably too late. On good starting boards sheās ineffective. Which leaves a very narrow window of opportunity for her to excel.
She should be fast because then it would make sense holding her off, even at the cost of wasting a few tiles.
Iām seriously considering replacing her, which is a shame because he skill is great and there arenāt many red cleansers.
