A 50% chance of a 10% mana boost to get 1% of teams to a mythical 6-tile speed is why she is better? Nonsensical argument.
When have you ever heard me actually say that I don’t care about mana speed? I have always said that you don’t need to be fast or very fast to win, or that slow heroes are entirely viable in today’s (and every day’s) meta
I just wanted to say that cleanse at faster than very fast and direct damage with dispell is more versatile than Camilla although I love her mana degen stack
Kenji does understand - seems hes playing more vs meta defs where you need those extras to gain more one shots 
You have a lot of time with alexandrine tank hunacles but its different with those strong meta defs you know…
For me this 50% chance is essential humacles - a lot of my teams do gain wins because of that wonderful mana boost thats why i build setups for this boost
6 tiles vs 7 tiles is such a big step vs defs where you do have only a few tile moves until you might get problems
Dont want to take anything from camilla i know shes great and i would have loved to get her but saying shes way better than milena is really nonsense
Both are wonderful & strong heroes
I have both and I agree Milena is better. Cleanse + dispel are so critical to turn the battle around. SG knows that too, hence why they want to nerf her so people will pull Camilla.
I tried for Camilla although I have Milena. Sadly, I am not a whale and ~130 pulls was only enough to get Lucy
I lucked out and got her from single pulls. No point chasing her since I got 2 Milenas.
It happened to you too? I mean, something similar happened to me once. I got Xandrella and Jequn from a single elemental coin pull
That 10% often means a difference between win and a loss
So far haven’t found anything to remove the neg mana gen stack from her passive. I did use hippo to counter it but after a point (she keeps firing in charge 1 every 2 turns) the mana stack quickly crosses -30 and it gets problematic.
Very powerful stack. On offense she can cripple some of the best defense teams with her passive and charge 1.
I have Lucy and I think she will really be useful for her passive.
The passive needs to be updated because it’s out of control. I managed to pull both Camilla and Ray and having them in the same team with my Cristobal makes the stacks nearly automatic and overwhelming. It’s like autopilot.
I’ve been leveling up Camilla. Then, I pulled Bubbles. Any opinions on who should get my last Scopes between these two?
I have both think you should go Camilla first that passive is a big deal
Should I or should I not look at your Camilla avatar as being biased? 
I have Willow almost to 4/80. I planned to use them both to punish opponents’ mana bar. Perhaps, I will continue on that path.
I do want that Bubbles special in my arsenal ASAP…
Decisions…decisions…
That’s what I’m doing without Camilla and Ray . Bubbles is fun I have him LB + 20
I actually pulled bubbles today too and just took Camilla past 4.01. I think they have their uses, but in very different aspects of the game. If you need a great titan and PvE hero, go Camilla, but if you want something offensive for wars/raids etc, then go Bubbles.
The 2nd gen magic hero’s passive should be and probably will be adjusted. I want it to be.
Actually, @PlayForFun can we get a balance thread for the 2nd gen, magic hero passive?
They’ll adjust it and reintroduce it for the heroes coming with 910 power ratings at 4/80.
More to your analysis, I don’t have Miki. I rely heavily on Guardian Gazelle. That will negate most of Camilla’s utility for me.
I am excited to see Camilla and Willow together…until the inevitable nerf that will negate why I spent the money in the first place that they’ll overshadow with new OP heroes anyway.
With Bubbles, she’ll never go on my Defense in any capacity. Strictly an annoying hitter/wild card hero in War. The fun factor is what I’m really interested in. Though, that Defense Down might make the other part of the special moot if the target dies before passing on the ailment.
Ok, here is it for you:
Isn’t she just killing healers if they’re 1 to 1 with her passive 100% damage?
