what kind of defense is needed to hold “guaranteed” 2500+ cups (lets say stay in mid diamond)…
if i look at this example (not my defense)
2450 cups almost out of diamond… with that kind of defense…
what would i need to hold more cups?
i wonder if it is worth at all to invest in my defense team (teampower 4100+ … or ascend my guinevere (before my joon) when i think about this… usually i open my chest in diamond and range between 2200 and 2780 cups… (whenever i go above 2700 i drop very fast down to 2200 or so… and fight my way back to open my chest in diamond…)
do you think it is possible to have a defense that holds 2500+ cups? how would it look like?
update… the picture above ist NOT my defense (just somone who raided me) i was just wondering why the heck someone with such a defense is in low diamond… and i was frustrated since i have a much weaker defense in which i invest a lot with the goal to keep me in mid diamond… and i wonder it it makes sense at all to invest in defense…
To answer your last question, I’m not convinced there is a guarantee. The team you show would hold diamond most of the time, but are you topping up cups by raiding?
It’s plausible that a few climbing players will hit you for 40 cups each and then you’re on the margin again.
Personally I think you need another sniper / big hitter in your defence , enemy can stay alive for a bit with a bad board as no real punishment via tank or flanks
Since you have Ariel for cleanse you wouldn’t need zim, and can replace zim with a hitter .
Man, with that defensive roster, it’s almost a “guarantee” that you remain in Diamond arena, especially with the emblems placed on your heroes. Maybe you aren’t maximizing your raid flags and mostly logged out the game during the day.
My current defense is composed of Albe-Kage-Ares-Drake-Ariel (with almost the same level of troops though my Ares+11 tank is supported by a level 20 crit troop) and they are keeping me most of the time at 25XX to 26XX cups when I woke up in the morning. The only time I am at the 24XX threshold is when I logged out the game at night at the top 100 global rankings, which makes me reconsider getting to the top 100 at night.
I suggest you log in the game as often as you can in order to use the raid flags efficiently and getting your cups to a decent level.
Here is my def. As you can see its weaker than the one you’re showing but im evereyday in diamond and hold around 2500. The point is your attacks make your hold more than your def.
What I notice is when I leave and I am over 2600-ish cups I get blasted back to around 2400 cups. If I stay under the 2600-ish cups I do not get attacked so much and lose some cups.
So there seems to be a turning point, for me at least, around 2600 cups.
@Hermann, the ugly truth is this game is overwhelmed by noobs and diamond arena does make no exception. I have a 4300+ AW defense, but for raid defense I had to set only 2 legendaries. And it seems even a 4000+ is too much for most of my opponents and sometimes I am forced to attack and flee just to bring the trophies back to 2400+. Because works great for me to not lose any attack when I fill up the heroes chest (takes me 15 minutes at most). Arena is diamond at 2400* as it is at 2700+ or 2800+. As long as SG doesn’t build statues for 2700+, I’m just fine at 2400+. The rewards are the same. But I ensure get 2 of them every 12 hours.
Anyway, you asked about a defense line-up for diamond. I will show you mine, defense I use for 8 months. And this one still earns me too many trophies sometimes
Interesting… my problem is i don’t win every raid and i can’t open 2 hero chests every day (typically 1 sometimes 2)… when i’m pushed pack to 2200ish it may happen that i win raids but i’m barely back in diamond… very rarely i had my hero chest filled at 2380ish… opened it and realised too late that i was not in diamond… i just wish i could stay in diamond without worries (or risk to open the hero chest in platinum) i thoulght the best way to achieve this is to have the strongest defense possible a defense that keeps me abvoe 2500… but the more i see very strong defenses (4300+) with 24ish cups the more i doubt i can achieve it…
yes i use the tournament flags when i manage to stay in the tournament i sometimes manage to open 2 hero chests per day) depends on how well i do in the tournaments…
i don’t record it but from 6 flags i win between 3 - 6… depends… this morning it took me 10 flags to fill the chest (had 6 regular flags 4 x 5, 1 x 1, 1 x 0 and4 tournament flags (4 x 5 heroes) )
in regular raids i use 3 :2 or 4:1… in the current tournament 3:2 or 2:2:1
I don’t think you can “hold” up above 2550 or so. I find that whenever I go up above there into the 2600 range or higher the fall back down is swift and far with it sometimes bumping me just out of diamond. Maybe down to 2350. I make it right back in but its rough up there. People constantly going for that top spot pushes the rest around.
Personally I have made it to top 300 globally and top 50 local (US) but I was only using my normal 6 raid flags. I could have pushed higher but its really just to see if it can be done. Currently there is really no in game reason to hold anything that high. Above 2400 gets you the chest so that is where you need to be and even upper platinum players push up to open the chest as diamond.
There has been talk of making a higher raid tier and maybe splitting it at 2600 maybe call it Titanium or something but it would constantly change and really be like SG giving better loot which would be fine with me since I can reach it. However it would be a moving target since nobody would be able to really hold it for long. It would just be a new spot to open the chests. With the current setup I can’t see things changing much since once you reach the top there is nobody left to raid on offense and they can still hit you even while you are online.
What is your strategy when attacking? A better question would be: do you have 3 heroes at least of each colour? Strong heroes, I mean (for example, I have 8 of each colour already maxed). Though I could raid mono at any time, my strategy is 3-2 or 3-1-1. I am not lucky with the boards all the time such as my 3 heroes to wipe the tank in the first 2-3 turns, but usually the second colour helps a lot. I will tell you what happens when I attack Kunchen 50% of the time. I run Drake-Drake-Joon-Seshat-Rigard. Many times I cannot charge yellows in time and obviously, nor killing the tank. But then I focus on purple if yellow doesn’t help. Usually, after Kunchen goes off, I fire Rigard (and all my problems are gone), Seshat and eventually some yellow tiles to finish Kunchen. By this time all my 3 fast yellows are charged and it’s game over. Last time I lost against Kunchen was 4 months ago… This was just an example of what I do. You don’t have the heroes I have and vice versa. But what I’m saying is whether you have at least 3 heroes of each colour, you should hold in diamond. Only the defense team does’t help. If you don’t, perhaps you should reconsider your strategy. Stay in low platinum and win 6 of 6 flags. Complete your chest faster and easier. My alt account is level 54, possible def of 4200 and I am still in platinum. Because I have only 4 legendaries there and usually I can use only two of them on raiding. And why should I struggle for nothing? Because if you didn’t already know this, the elemental chests frequency are based on regular chests. I get 3-4 a month, because I don’t struggle with diamond and I complete 4 regular chests in 12 hours (2 of each type). And to remain in this time lapse, the new coming chests are always skipped at 53 minutes (1 gem it costs).
So, depends of your roster whether you go for diamond or not yet. But after I saw what heroes you have, I doubt is only about heroes. This is why I asked about your strategy. You saw what defense I use for 2400-2500 trophies. Not your defense is the issue here
Wow… Like I was saying. My defense is still to strong for 4200+ players. Since I posted above I didn’t enter the game. I just did… And this happens every single day. So definitely not a defense is the issue for staying in diamond.
