I just maxed rigard(finally got him after 15 months of playing luckily melendor was my 1st 4*) but I have Vivica at 3.70 with 5 darts. I might get one random but I know one will be in Shiloh. But even then I have to take her up to 4.80.
I have about 500 emblems for cleric and could give to rigard now and use him more. Or should I just sit on them and wait for Vivica to go from 3.70 to 4.80.
I have all the others like Kiril, bt, and Sabina at 2.x? still no kashrek though.
My raid defense keeps me in diamond with melendor, magni, mitsuko, domitia, joon. I have lianna max with emblems at +7 and all the others are +7 and melendor is +19 until I get a few more emblems he’ll be +20 and I have the l11 mana troop to reduce tiles though on defense that didn’t matter.
Im very used to melendor and removing enemy buffs so I’m trying to see if rigard could replace him on raid defense and then swap domitia for lianna to keep rainbow or use rig with domitia having 2 purples.
Thanks in advance.
Shiloh just passed, so unless you get lucky, you’ll have to wait a while… Getting her from 3/70 to 4/80 is only a matter of days if you do things right. The real problem is that 500 emblems will take Rigard to +20 meanwhile they will only take Vivica to +9… They’re both sturdy, both cleanse, as for mana speed vs. defense bonus, it’s your decision to make…
I have Rigard +18 and 162 emblems. I have Vivica 4.80
I’m considering doing a second Rigard+18 before Vivica sees a drop.
I was hoping I’d pull Ariel, but I’ve now given up that hope.
I guess I need to look at rigard with emblems to see more. I’m leaning toward rigard since I already have Melendor+19 and Kiril +20 with max bt too. Probably go to def and hp to keep rigard alive unlike Melendor , rigard doesn’t have big attack. Most of my 5* are at +7 so Vivica at that range would be fine. I’d really love to get her costume which makes her like a kunchen in yellow. I think if I get the costume I have to max it then I can use it on her and take it off but to use a regular and costumed Viv at same time id need two of them and the costume. Funny thing is I wanted elkanen to use as cleric but kadilen came out instead. Decisions.
Back when Emblems first came out, I took Vivica to +4.
Then I realized I preferred Rigard as my default healer by far, and stopped giving Vivica Emblems. Rigard is now at +16, on his way to +18.
I decided against resetting Vivica, but if I had it to do over, I never would have given her Emblems ahead of Rigard.
I don’t intend her to be my next Emblemed Cleric after Rigard either, that’ll be Hansel.
Imo, Rigard should be a priority cleric if you do not have Hansel. He is the only 4 star (last I looked) that heals and cleanses the team. That is vital to have especially if you are going against someone or something that casts a lot of debuffs.
I just read the rigard talent tree thread and decided to go ahead and give them to him. I have enough to take him to +20 but I ran out of food at +12 so I have to regen that. He is already very nice and having him plus a Melendor +20, Kiril +20 with a max BT as well that will be nice. I gave BT the first tier emblems for the fighter revive but Magni is getting the majority of them.
I also have Sabina who I will work on next(she wasn’t a priority since I have had Mel) and I already have Mitsuko so she will likely stay at max with no emblems.
I figure by the time I get the next darts from Shiloh (or a random drop if I am lucky) it will be about 6 weeks. Then I have to also take her up to 4.80. So at best under the most nominal curcumstances it would be about 2 months if everything goes right. But I could be using a strong Rigard then and be building up my emblems to give to Vivica once she goes up.
One thing I read that I never considered is that the emblem path might eventually go past 20. Perhaps to 40 then 60. While it is just a mention in the Rigard thread, it did make me think about those final spots on a few that cost a lot but offer little in some cases. Like the last 10 levels on a 5* you used to really get by with a 5* at 4.70 since the gain from 4.80 was minimal. But now you need to go max to use the emblems. So just like those last 2 levels are expensive with often little gain, they might one day be necessary to get to the higher emblems. That is a LONG way out though. I took the path of all defense since he is a healer and their job is to stay alive to heal. Melendor is an odd case since his attack is so strong but I still want him alive and took his path on defense too but he still ended up with an attack stat well over 700 and with a L11 mana troop he hits for over 900 attack. Actually harder than a max Lianna with +7 emblems. Of course that is only tile damge, Lianna really crushes in her skill.
I did see a comparison of Emblemed Rigard to Kunchen and he has a little bit more attack plus a better shield but Kunchen has about 200 more HP. However, Kunchen is slow so a max Rigard could be a long term hero. It will take me a while to get used to using him since I am used to Melendor and it really does matter if you remove buffs or ailments, especially since I I didn’t get Sonya or Caedmon until over a year of play. I am used to playing through ailments but letting them get buffs only to take them with Mel. Plus I could paid him with Lianna for some nice damage. Now I can pair Rigard with Domitia until TC20 gives me Sartana! And with her debuff and his cleanse it will be a great pairing. Thank you all for the help. Especially @zephyr1 for the prior comment about using Rigard over Vivica. I think Viv will find a use in my lineup but with slow mana she won’t be a primary healer especially on offense.
I do like the costume version and would likely use that since she basically turns into Kunchen. I have to get the costume though first. If I understand it right, I would have to max the costume and I have 1 max Viv. I could use the costume on her and attack. I could also use her without the costume and attack. Howeever, I couldn’t use both versions of her unless I had 2 of her maxed plus the costume. Is that correct?
Its strange because the costumes are cards so since I don’t have beta all I see are cards which looks like alternate heros. To me I should have the main Viv and if I get the Cos version I can use her as well totally seperate from main Viv. I can’t “put” the costume on the main viv but the costume is more like an “alter ego” version of her that I could use alone at whatever level it is. Maybe since I don’t have Beta and I have only seen the outfits on the cards I am confused. It should only be 1 hero, 1 costume and you can put it on or off. To use 2 at the same time I could see needing both so one is plain and the other puts the costume on. I think “alter ego” versions would be better than costumes so you could just have the plain hero and the alternate one. Maybe I am confused about this. I certainly have confused myself now…LOL.
Anyhow thanks for the info.
You’re welcome!
Yes, that’s how it’s worked in Beta so far.
But keep in mind that Costumes are very early in the design process, and have jumped around a lot in Beta so far.
So it’s very possible they could end up working radically differently.
Importantly, one version of Beta eliminated the Kunchen-like Special Skill. So it’s entirely possible that could end up eliminated in the final version too, despite lots of negative feedback when it was removed.
Also keep in mind that the initial design for acquiring Costumes makes it extremely unlikely that you’d get a particular 5* Costume you wanted, unless you’re a big spender.
That’s essentially how it’s worked so far.
A hero can wear a Costume, or not. The Costume isn’t able to be used independently of the hero.
If you wanted two of Vivica on the same team, you’d need two copies of Vivica. Whether one or both has a Costume wouldn’t change that.
Happy to see you chose to emblem Rigard. I have Rigard at +9 and just love him. The rest of my primary team is Evelyn +5, Anzogh+2, Drake Fong 4/80 (difficult to come by monk emblems) and Fritha 4/67. Rigard keeps them going almost all the time. I can’t get into stats as I don’t understand them but I do know that his status ailment removal is a bonus. 
Do you have a mana troop in purple? If so Rigard will serve you much better if you can get your troop to 17. He’s better either way, but significantly more so at 9 tiles
I was going to add my vote for Rigard but couldn’t say it any better than @zephyr1 already did!
I went with Rigard since I still have to wait for another Shiloh which is more than a month away and after that I have to get her to 4.80. I can’t hold feeders aside since I have other heroes to level so once I get the darts it will likely take 2 to 3 weeks if I feed her everything. Though I might have more TC to run since right now I am still going with 3 TC20 to try to get Sartana and Marjana. Once I get them I could speed up things a bit since I could use the 100 for each TC20 to make feeders.
I am so used to using Melendor since he was my 1st 4* that it is strange getting cleanse instead of debuff. He is super strong though. Here he is basically done at +19. His stats won’t change and once I get the rest of the emblems I will take him to 20.
I have a mana troop at L10 but I am confused. I asked about Melendor since he gets a mana boost on his grid of 4% I think when he gets to +20. I have him at +19 again waiting for the rest of the emblems. I was told that I needed a L11 mana troop to get him from 10 to 9 tiles. Here though it is a L17 troop. Maybe it is a different mana boost amount, I would have to check as they are different classes.
But if they both get 4% I would think they would need the same level ttroop since they are both average. Perhaps they don’t both get 4%. Am I missing something? Thanks…Here’s the final product so his stats can be seen if you take the defense path the entire way. Very much like Kunchen in attack and defense (actually slightly higher) and his HP is up though Kunchen does have about 200 more Rigard is average vs. slow for Kunchen.
I’m very interested in this topic as I have a similar problem: I have a Rigard +18, I will to bring him to +20.
I have also a Vivica that I want to ascend to the max and a fully leveled Hansel. Who, in your opinion, should get the emblems after I finished Rigard? I don’t want to remove emblems from him.
I’m going with Hansel for Emblems after Rigard, personally. Vivica is going to wait.
I am trying to also get more info on the general approach here. Basically I am looking for 2 opinions.
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Right now since it is still useful to have 4* with emblems is it a better idea to give them emblems to take them to +20 (or +18 depending on point 2 below). Since a 4* can be made very effective with emblems for a great ROI. You can turn them into 5* in most cases with stats over 700 and HP over 1200. I have even seen Gormek with HP over 1600! So is it better to use them on a 4* right now to get results while the 5* out there are still around the +7 level so you can still make use of the 4*. In many cases people still use them and many have unique abilities that may not be around in a 5* yet though that is changing with teh new heroes. It isn’t an endgame plan since eventually we will have +20 5* and likely SG will give in to making 6* heroes though that is another thread.
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If you decide to give them to the 4*, is it worth using the extra 110 needed for those last 2 spots which give little ROI in some cases. Many are small mana or HP boosts and they only get active with a mid to high level 4* troop as well. In Grimm’s case(barbarian class) they do get a bump in HP directly at level 20 but other like Kiril, RIgard and Melendor get mana or HP boosts. I could use those 110 emblems to get another 4* up a bunch of levels and have another stronger hero right away vs. having one hero that gets a minor mana or HP boost. I know it will depend on each hero but as a general rule what are people tending to do at the upper levels?
Thanks for any feedback. It seems that there is a lot of interest in the 4* max emblem heroes as I had a thread and just saw another opened as well where people can show off the heroes and the different paths they took. I personally aim in most cases to make the hero well rounded so I don’t really push 1 stat over others. In Rigard’s case I went all def/hp since his attack is low and his job is to heal and he needs to be alive for that since tile damage is very small. Melendor is a unique case as someone once wrote that he is an attacker that heals vs. the other 2 (sabina/rigard) who are healers that also attack (weakly). With my Melendor and a L11 troop he hits over 900 atk. He hits harder than a max Lianna as well though I am givein her emblems too and she is at +7 so she will hit like a truck soon. I tried to keep him alive as well since he is still a primary healer and while tile damage from him hurts the ememy, I bring him to heal and debuff so I still want him alive. Same goes for Kiril who I think I made to be the most well balanced of the lost so far. I have him looking almost like he came designed that way and they just forgot a 5th . They could all pass for legit 5 but he is the most balanced of the group. Grimm already has a heavy attack but like Magni, he lacks defense. There is a debate about whether to boost that attack or the defense. I went with defense so he can also fire that special which is great with the defense down for 6x. I can see the other argument of giving him attack and have seen people work out the math on which makes more sense. I personally try to keep them alive since I tend to bring them for the skills and not just tile damage.
As for Viviva, I have Rigard finished and she will likely get the emblems next once I get the last set of darts. I don’t have Elkanen but he may pop from TC20 and I might consider giving them to him as well instead of her. I hope that is something I have to decide as it means I got another 5* from TC20. I have about 34 coming out in 12 days so hopefully there is a Sartana, Marjana and Elkanen in there and maybe a Leo as a bonus!!!
Interesting, as also Elkanen is in my future projects (if I don’t get Kingston).
Why would prefer him over Vivica for emblems?
I actually wanted him over Kadilen initially because I didn’t have a Cleric max yet. Since then I have Rigard and Viv was still at 3.70 but I thought he would be decent with emblems. I have fought him in raids and he can be a pain on a bad board. Not against a red stack but as a flank he heals himself and is fast. Since I got Kadilen and I read the forums I think her skill is actually more helpful to the team. I am working on leveling her now.
I also didn’t have ANY green 5* either and I since got Lianna and Kadilen. Despite that I think I would still give them to him over Vivica. It’s mainly just personal preference based on my line up. Either is a good pick for emblems as a 5* classic hero.