So a new player starts out. It takes forrrrrrever to collect 6 ascension mat rings, but heâs excited when heâs done collecting them because he has no red five star heroes. He doesnât know much or who would be a good choice to ascend. So he comes on to the forum, sees this forum poster defending ilmarinen to the death - so he thinks to himself âwow he must be goodâ.
So this new player gets âluckyâ and pulls ilmarinen. Even though he already had Wilbur maxed. He spends a crap ton of ham, all his rings, and maybe even his aethers to ascend and max ilmarinen. His lone maxed red five star.
Weeks go by and slowly he realizes âilmarinen reaalllly sucks for 90% of the game and is barely better than Wilbur, how the heck did I get convinced as a new player ilmarinen might be good for me?!!â
Now we know how.
[addendum] - I forgot to mention, this new player pulled octros shortly after ascending ilmarinen
This really, really depends on who else you have developed. If you have and bring really strong hit-3 or hit-all heroes, then chain-DD can be useful against even high-hp enemiesâŠ
âŠbut for me, my best direct damage output comes from single-target snipers, and in events I want to bring down one of the bosses in nasty boss fights first to make a hole, ghost tiles, and give me a chance to start working on other bosses.
Chain-DD is arguably much better in raids because enemy heroes donât have the ten zillion hp of challenge event bosses. For my roster at least, I generally donât want to chain together bosses, even with DD, because it means Iâm just damaging all three instead of getting anyone off the board⊠which means Iâll have to pair Ilmarinen with dispel if I want to get the advantage of big DD without the relative disadvantage of chained enemies, which just made him even more cumbersome to use.
Wilburâs DD is a bit less, but he also does chain and DU, which Ilmarinen doesnât. Ilmarinen only inflicts uncleansable against blue, which means on the attack Iâm bringing the wrong color to attack with. His blue-punishing is more notable and useful on defense, but attackers can avoid the issue by attacking with a neutral color (like yellow or purple) instead, the same way that I typically wonât bring yellow to attack an Ursena tank.
Does this make Ilmarinen useless? No. I didnât say that, Iâm just saying⊠with a special thatâs pretty similar to Wilburâs, Iâd expect him to at least fire at the same speed, thatâs all.
So someone mentioned ilmarinen âforces enemies to share damageâ in support of him.
I donât think âforcesâ is the right wordâŠ
To those who might not know, âsharing damageâ is considered a buff and increases survivability in 95% of game scenarios. So saying âilmarinen forces enemies to share damageâ is sort of like saying âilmarinen forces enemies to increase their survivabilityâ. (Thereâs a reason âcleansing ailmentsâ doesnât take away âsharing damageâ)
A hero that does âdefense down but letâs their enemies share damageâ is worse than a hero that does âdefense downâ - what I see as yet another knock against a below average hero.
@StroopwafelJack Heâs got potential, but heâs being overlooked. Players will be sleeping on him. Not me. I see his value as a titan hero, and challenge events. Heâs also good on rush
this new player listens lonely voice who said Ilmarinen is great, but doesnt listen to the majority of the community who says he is bellow average for majority of players
This new player made mistake, but can now focus for titan highest scores
I actually think itâs a good thing for anyone to be happy with a hero. If you told me a stranger just pulled a legendary, I would hope that stranger is happy with the hero. So, if you think ilmarinen is great, Iâm happy for you.
So if a bunch of people want to use their coins or diamonds to pull for ilmarinen and be happy to get him, thatâs great.
But if I were to trust those polls, 9 out of every 10 legendaries would be worth using my coins or diamonds to pull for. And then I would end up with the likes of Yunan. (Who apparently is 15% more âabsolutely worth pulling forâ than ilmarinen)
I see him work great with Khufu on VF wars But I agree with most opinions, he should be average speed⊠I have him, Khufu and Elizabeth in line for rings and he will wait a long time⊠Lets hope he gets buffed, but I think SG will consider it next year, it seems they like to buff heroes just before they appear to make events more attractive
Whether he is viewed as great or meh is all about what you prioritize in the game. He may not be great for war/raids outside of VF but he is great for events. During the CoK events the top players were all trying for him and insta-maxing him if they got him to boost their legendary teams
I keep seeing âgreat for events,â and again, if you have the right roster (lots of big hit-all or hit-3, i.e. hit-all-3-equally, hitters) then sure.
But for many players, linking together zillion-hp-bosses is not a great move, and using even a slightly lesser amount of DD that doesnât link up enemies would be stronger.
Thatâs a pretty significant condition on âgreat for eventsâ outside of already-top players (who may be assumed to have most any roster population desired already).
And like I said it depends what you prioritize in the game. He is great for those that compete in events. So if you dont compete hes probably not going to be your top option for mats.
Ah, well, I should have been more precise myself as âgreat at eventsâ could mean âupping score for folks already actively competing in eventsâ or it could mean âmaking it easier to just complete/get further in events, notably Alliance Quest, Gargoyles, Towers etc.â concerning folks for whom just even getting a set reward (never mind rankings) is desirable and/or a challenge in itself.
Having said that, a hero who is desirable for events for at most a few thousand peopleâŠ. WellâŠ
If this thread is any indication, itâs a bit âopinion is still mixedâ together with âitâs still early daysâ and a lot of âit depends on what you want him for.â
Titan is arguably one of the places where Ilmarinen is more of an upgrade over Wilbur, just a matter of how he compares to other red priorities/your availability of mats/what you can use for DD now as to whether heâs âworth itâ as a priority in your roster (to say nothing of how much you think youâd be likely to use him in other instances, general PvE, raids, wars, defense, etc.)
I suppose Iâd say âI want Wilbur but never got himâ makes Ilmarinen a better get than âI have Wilbur and am trying to decide if itâs worth putting the time/resources into a âWilburâs big brotherâ hero as well.â
Yeah, as some noted above - this is a hero which will upgrade your titan and challenge events scores. He is also great in rush, because of the mana cut and you can pair them with strong slow heroes (e.g. Azlar, Khagan) to wreak havoc.
I am not using him in regular raids/wars though, but I knew I wouldnât when I was maxing him. This is a hero designed for a specific purpose and IMO he serves it very well.
This is encouraging, as he is the only 5* Iâve got so far (so, probably, this year) from Kalevala. Iâm on 5/6 rings and was kind of expecting to use them on Zagrog when the last one arrives, but will give it some thought and try Ilmarinen out at 3.70 a bit before taking the plunge. Green titans are my downfall.
(Iâve also got Marjana, Elena and Azlar at 3.70 but theyâre going nowhere unless I get their costumes; plus Captain Nemo, Tyr, Reuben and Natalya who are also at 3.70 and will be going nowhere forever, in the absence of a very substantial buff. Not that Iâm sorry to have them. Theyâre sometimes used as disposable heroes in Towers etc. and are quite good for that.)
Illmarinen is on my bottom list of reds. Unless theyâll change mana to average, he will became food for Soul Exchange. I see him useful only in Rush Wars, but this game is more than that
