⚖ Hero Balance Discussion: Papyros

[ProfessorPenguin]

@Pohiroshima

I’m curious what would make people feel Papyros is balanced

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Ability: Effects on Special Skill
60% chance to perform the following actions when this character casts their Special Skill

• Boosts health of all allies by 10%. Boosted health can exceed max HP.
• All allies gain a small amount of mana.

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|:dizzy: Special Skill: Summon Sand Golems|

|* Summons a Sand Golem Minion for each with 14% HP and 18% attack inherited from the caster. Each time the Sand Holem Minion is attacked by normal attacks or Special Skills, the attacker gets the following status ailment:

• The target receives 282 Sand damage over 3 turns.
• All allies get +30% defense for 3 turns.

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Sun Quan – Beta Info & Stats (extremely likely to change)

Rarity: Legendary/5*
Gender: Male
Power: 825

Attack: 780
Defense: 788
HP: 1481

Class: Ranger
Element: Fire (Red)

Mana Speed: Average
Family: Kingdom

Special Skill: Command to Advance

• Deals 340% damage to the target and nearby enemies.
• Summons a Wu Soldier Minion for each ally with 8% HP and 18% attack inherited from the caster.
• Each hit from a Wu Soldier Minion gives the target the following status ailments:
  • The target receives 180 Burn damage over 3 turns

In June balance, the Wu soldier minions were updated to 10%, and their burn damage was increased (since Sun Quan has only been in beta thus far, we don’t know the exact burn damage, but should be around 225-250/3 turns like Zhou You is).

So Sun vs Papyros -

Sun Quan advantages

1. 340% damage to 3
2. Burn damage applied by minions hitting instead of being hit

Papyros advantages

1. 4% larger minions
2. 30% def up
3. Slightly higher dot - probably between 5-15 extra damage/turn
4. Passive which (sometimes) heals and gives mana to whole team (vs [always] self heal/self mana gain from SQ’s passive)

I feel Papyros’ minions applying the sand damage when they attack would still leave him behind SQ. Adding anything (small heal, small damage, self over-heal/hot, mana speed fast) in addition would make it arguable (either way) which is better - meaning balanced, for me.