Gargons guide to FS4

Fated Summons round 4.

A little overview (if you only want hero pick recommendations, feel free to scroll down)
S1 heroes: Round 4 of 4, it will be interesting to see what they will be replaced with next time, my guess: First costumes (for the next 4 iterations and so on after that?), but for now they remain just empty place holders, without any value.
Hotm: Obviously they will never run out, as they produce 12 per year and only offer 10 in FS, so on average the hotm row grows 1 month older with every iteration (in comparison to the current heroes). Lot of interesting choices this time though.
CF1 heroes: This is round 2 of 5 and first time we see an interesting hero in this group, with more to come in the future: Hatter, LotL, Chameleon, (so a good green should be coming up in all 3 coming rounds!) as well as Gazelle some time should be nearly guaranteed, while BK might be skipped due to more red than other colors in the group.
This time we ran out of S3 heroes and they were replaced with the oldest group of heroes available: The seasonal event heroes: Round 1 of 2. So in order to possibly plan your choices better: besides this current group, we will next time most likely receive: Killhare, Krampus, Vanda and then either Roostley or Roc as well as Yunan or Francine.

As always
This is a feature mostly designed for people that spend little to no money at all, as all the heroes on this list are badly outdated and will not stand up against a team of current heroes. Still a few heroes can be useful to many players especially some niche heroes that have a very limited area of use, but in that small area they are really good.
If you have costumes of of any of the heroes on this list, picking a duplicate may be the best thing to do as you at least get a hero with better stats than what is on offer otherwise.

So lets get to the individual heroes:

S1: Ignore them all as usual

Hotm Special this time is that all 5 of them are from the 2017 family which means they are a) very old and have horrible stats b) have a very powerful mana boosting family bonus. I will explain a bit more what that means for each of the 5 options below.
Ares: Not especially interesting, but since none of the red ones this time are, some people might still pick him? I would recommend switching focus to another color. As a 2017 family member he can be used to boost mana for other family members, but being avg speed himself, it is rather irrelevant to himself and being less useful than the others makes him the lowest priority among all hotm choices for this purpose.
Alberich: a reviver has a place in rush settings as slow revivers usually do. See my comments on MN as it is the same story there. In comparison to MN: he revives fewer heroes than MN, but the heroes he brings back have a much higher chance to stay alive. He also gives an additional mana boost, which I think may make him better than MN. One additional bonus is his 2017 family (see other hotm options), in his case it means it is relatively easy to bring him down to 9 tiles (at 34% mana boost, so 20%troop, 4% class, 10% family bonus with 1 additional family member), which then makes him definitely more useful than MN at regular speed.
Athena: still the best DD hero for titans if I am not mistaken (of course the costume would be an upgrade), but can also serve well in a blue avg speed damage stack. My recommendation among the hotm as well as the blue heroes. Also 2017 family, which at avg speed matters much less for herself (9tiles is a given anyway), but she can be used to bring other family members up to important breakpoints (see other hotm options).
Musashi: the main use I can come up with for him would be the mana boosting 2017 family bonus, so if you have others of his year (see other hotm options), maybe, but not much there besides that. The problem is he himself is a “bad class” for mana and he would need 2 family members (15%) and a 20% troop to fire in 6 tiles, to make his skill acceptable.
Thoth Amun: Same mana boosting 2017 family bonus as other hotm otions and a good hero to boot! His 4% class bonus with only 1 family member and 20% troop gets him to 6 tiles. Nice potential combo with Alby and both get major breakpoints. He also gets a special mention for fighting Master Lepus for best damage hero in this FS4. The damage itself is not what puts him above Lepus, but the better utility addons. Generally damage heroes suffer most from power creep, so I do not recommend damage heroes and would rather look at utility heroes that loose less quality over time, but since this guy here has both damage and utility (plus potential super speed) I think he makes a good choice.

CF1

Kestrel: See Ares and Toth Amun.
Locke: See Toth Amun, in addition to being a damage hero, she deals her damage through a cleansable ailment starting with low damage, which is already worse than normal damage and on top of that DoT suffers even more from the recent HP increase in heroes.
Arthur: Worse than last rounds Frida, so hopefully you have no reason to even think of him, but if you missed out on Frida and still don´t have a blue EDD for titans. But even then I would rather use Nordri than this guy.
Guinevere: Once a great tank, now invisible. But still not a horrible choice for the mana steal and heal. I would say most interesting yellow hero in SF4.
Panther: Best CF1 hero for sure and in my opinion top choice for the entire SF4. Fast speed, dispel and EDD, make her useful for titans, or damage stacks.

Seasonal event heroes

Santa: slow, not much damage, but at least AD and DD, so usable in rush. Not much competition in red.
Mother North: Will most likely be the most popular hero in this SF4. In low level play revivers may still be the top option for rush wings. And if you have Kalö as a partner (or another reviver, see Alberich) it can be an annoying combo for the wings in your defense. Certainly not any more at top level play, but I guess that is not what we are talking about here anyway :slight_smile: Outside rush, she´s just another slow healer, the revive making her better than say a vanilla Vivica. So yes a good choice for sure. Just not my favorite.
Master Lepus: One of the two best hitters in this SF4, see Thoth-Amun.
Rana: A few little things, but nothing much of anything.
Victor: Stands out with his very fast speed that somewhat makes up for the low everything else. Not a bad hero at all, but purple is a competitive color this time.

So as a summary:

Top picks:

  1. Guardian Panther
  2. Athena
  3. Alby / Mother North / Thoth-Amun

For people that really want a specific color, I would add Guin as OK for yellow and Santa (for rush) or Ares (purely for the family bonus to others) as not really OK for red.

Have fun with your shiny old toys! May they serve you well!

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I agree GP and Athena are the top 2. I also agree Alby/Mother North are next.
I’m not as sold on Thoth-Amun. If you want the mana boost I suppose he can fit in. And I suppose there aren’t many better options after him.

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Guardian Panther is nice and I also agree that he is the top pick. He is just squishy these days unfortunately without his costume… nevertheless I would be picking him when the time comes! If I get another pick I would select Mother North!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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I support your hero grading,
but I am a bit reluctant about Athena.
Yes her 41% defdown is very good, no blue hero is better. but SG is showering us with costume keys from MV, so this guy should be easy to acquire:

The base version has 34% defdown, but for six turns instead of Athenas 4 turns.

With all costumes maxed and LB1, he had quite a punch and takes some damage.

Much cheaper to max than Athena, no scopes only 550 emblems and few limit breakers.
Usable in 4* content. With a toon Grimm you have very litte need for uncostumed Athena.

Happy gaming

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Athena’s -41% DD go to a lot higher % since target (and nearby) get extra -4% each hit they take, similar to Brienne’s C. Then you have elemental link for all blues + 15% ATT and DEF. She shines best with titans but also in lower pvp and even pve when you stack blue. A very good hero considering we can get her for “free”.

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Ahh…you and I seem to have a different understanding of the word easy!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Agree with rest.

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Wonderful write up @gargon. I have been singing the praises of Panther but I’m swimming in amazing purple heroes. Athena another fine choice but I have tinsel providing DD at a fast speed. Needing green and never having a reviver I had opted for your tier three and grabbed Mother North.

Your helpful explanation gives a lot to the forum by helping them along. I tip my glass to you!

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Agreed! 4star Toons in general are often very good replacements for below meta 5star heroes. So can Grimm work in many situations as a subsitute for Athena. DD is a rather common skill in blue, and other options may already be available in many rosters. Which is why I chose to emphasize her top spot as DD for titans, where her max DD of 67% (I think it was) makes the biggest difference.

Should I ignore them if I have all 3 costumes, making them the currently most powerful in the game?

there you go, it´s all in there :wink:

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Perfect :ok_hand: :grinning:

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I still don’t know who to pick. I have Heimdall, so getting MN seems unadvisable.

Both my blue and purple titan teams suck. I am in the middle of leveling C-Nordri, so it makes me mad that they are offering Athena. She’s obviously better, but C-N was so easy to level and now it seems like wasted effort.

Posting my garbage teams for reference


You need both of them as their skills are not the same, they stack on top of each other! And Nordri is one of the top 3 star heroes for tourneys as well, so that is never wasted effort, I maxed a second one for Mythic titans :slight_smile:

Oh and work on those costumes of yours! ALL of them.

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Well… Heimdall is an overhealer with a sideline of maybe ressing; MN is a resser with a sideline of some healing.

Put another way,

Put yet another way (albeit from a few years back),

:crazy_face:

Of course, anyone with newer, shinier ridonkulous-stats res heroes arguably doesn’t need MN, but for those of us without her, without any 5* with more res than Heimdall…

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They stack?!? Oh wow. I assumed not, because I have tried to use both Bauchan (+24) and Jolly (+35) in the same team to stack the mana generation and get +59%, but instead, one just replaces the other. :confused:

Absolutely hilarious post!!!

I really do hate going against MN. She is annoying as heck. Sigh. I just have SO many needs. I don’t spend money on the game, so I am always struggling to keep up. I wish I could pick a more than one from this dang FS.

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That is because both those mana generation buffs are of the same kind and overwrite each other. But Defdown and Elemental Defdown are different kinds of DD and therefore can exist at the same time.

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Yes a few years back she wasn´t all bad… But now it´s hard to be afraid of her outside of rush. Maybe if you have to fight her with a team of 4 star heroes and lack the firepower she can still be a menace, but otherwise she just a slow healer that doesn´t do all that much. If she revives someone (which isn´t all that likely to start with for a slow hero in a corner) with 10% HP and a 10% minion, so what? it´s not hard to kill a hero that´s down to 20% HP again…
Don´t got me wrong, she´s not horrible, but she´s nothing to be afraid of either. She really just lives of the horror stories told about her from rush wars…

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This defenitely depends on with how much mana a hero is revived! :rofl:

Well he has to have 100% mana to make any difference at all, which isn´t all that common. So in that case you trade the special of a hero that could have been there instead of MN with the special of the hero that died, revived and then fires, so you got a good deal. But still nothing amazing. You could have just had a hitter there instead. But you see how many % RNG things have to happen, just to break even.
If he doesn´t have 100% mana you trade the special of a hero for a hero, but no special. Bad deal really.
The chance to do more than break even happens occasionally yes, but it doesn´t happen often… But those few cases are what her legend is built upon.

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