Ouch. Not above average?
Ok can we establish a classic example of an average hero? Who is average? Richard? Leonidas?
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Agreed, too many red tanks and not enough red hitters.
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20 very average Finleys.
Ursena is/was by far superior, Gravey was comparable - he is not the strongest hero anymore and not really fearsome imo⊠therefore⊠he was not that good and now he is⊠mediocre and not fearsome at all
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Have you guys seen S3 heros stats? JF V1 doesnât look that overpowered now, does he?
With the game heading that way(more Finelys) this current JF version is just meh. GM is better and will always stay relevant while this new red hero might get his 2 secs of glory(heck, maybe 1) before his flame goes out.
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So true man⊠Good job sg for making worse heroes for new players. $$$$ GM $$$$ ftw⊠600 over 2/3 turns for not making any direkt damage should be necessary to make it any good⊠but too many who are scared of their gm becoming bad⊠nerfed to the trash
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600 over 2 turns seems a bit too much given that he was unanimously deemed OP even at 600 dmg over 4 turnsâŠ
Well, its RIP JF anyways. Dont have any faith in sg to make him good
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It does not cause direct damage, even though it is fast 2 laps is mediocre for being a HOTM. Just as I have Margareth another disappointment.
03 shifts would be nice, JF could also start with a lighter burn in the first shift until the last shift 150, 300 and 450. I saved gems for JF but looking at him now I donât feel like having him
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I think the same, i was waiting for 3 months for it, and now i dont wnat it
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I kept the rings for JF but now I have to try my luck with GM in May, even if the odds are 0 and something (0,32%) 
Iâm more going for Black Knight on Avalon, if he appears heâs getting the rings (and Barb emblems), JF would be nice addition but wouldnât get priority over BK. No BK = JF all the way, his ring competition in my hands are Anzogh, Elena, Natalya and Guardian Kong, so yeah, he beatsâem. GM in May is tempting but I already threw around 40,000 gems to get him on past Atlantises and I only got his middle finger, so my hopes for him there are rather humble.
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Yeah this is a similar drastic overreaction to Neith. If you need to nerf a hero that drastically, it should have been obvious even on paper that the original was OP. If they had started with something reasonable like 450 damage, it would lead to a small adjustment one way or the other thatâs more likely to be balanced. Same with Neith, start at something reasonable like 180% and adjust.
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When S3 start, there will be new wave of powerful HoTM to match S3 power, these current HoTM will be outdated very soon.
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They are outdated and on this point of the game, we dont have to wait s3 heroes for this.
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If this was true the game would die out very quickly, but thankfully it isnât and I know Iâll have no issues winning raids with even the very first hotm.
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You can win Raid with 4* heroes 
Guess I donât understand what point youâre trying to get across then. To me outdated means no longer useful / obsolete, which is what youâre calling still unreleased hotm, and yet you understand that even 4 stars are being used effectively and arenât outdated as of now.
outdated doesnât mean useless.
From dictionary: outdated
old-fashioned and therefore not as good or as fashionable as something modern
Still donât get the point of your post then, if youâre simply saying theyâll be less âin fashionâ because they are older⊠who cares? If they are still perfectly usable, thatâs what matters. Iâm moving on though as I can see weâre getting into semantics and instead of defending what you said youâre now trying to make it as if you didnât mean it in the way you did.
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