šŸ§Ŗ Early Information on the August 2019 HOTM (Miki)

this probably sounds silly but how does silence work again really canā€™t remember

Itā€™s when a hero canā€™t fire a special skill. Four turns is a long time to have 3 heroes silenced. With that being said he seems like another niche hero best suited for titans unless buffed (2 mana pots and heā€™s charged).

Heā€™s not a tank and has slow mana. If you compare Miki to Kunchen also slow mana-
Kunchen has 815 defense and 1437 hp.
Miki is 778 defense and 1275 hp currently.
In a blue stack IF Miki fires youā€™ve probably already won. I wonā€™t pull for him if he keeps these stats. I do have Tarlak and players that donā€™t will enjoy having Miki as a luxury titan specialist just keep crafting as many mana pots as possible bc youā€™ll need them!

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@zephyr1 and other beta players

1 effect lasts for 4 turns and other 2 effects for 5 turns after nerf?

Yep, I noted a few posts above that I thought that was a bit confusing.

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Beta Update

Miki has received a rebalancing update in Beta, increasing his attack buff from +110% to +130%, and his stackable attack cap from +160% to +170%.

This is the third time Miki has been rebalanced in Beta.

Iā€™ve updated the top post of this thread accordingly.

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Wow now I want him.
Too bad I donā€™t have telescopes. Too many ice heroes :cold_face:

Let us know what you think of him when you feel you have tried him enough to give a objective opinion especially compared to Tarlak Or Ranvir. I have some coins for Atlantis and i dont need a dark hero (Seshat) so i would keep them to try my luck next Atlantis in August. I have no titan specialist and i do have the AMs to get him to the top.

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Iā€™ll play with him more, but my general sense each update has been basically:

Players: Looking pretty solid for Titans, but not so great for Raids and War.

SG: Cool, got it. Based on your feedback, we made him better for Titans.

Players: :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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:sweat_smile:

Well next time tell them he is kinda meh for titans and cool for raids and war. :upside_down_face:

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If your mana speed were changed to average and the number of special turns reduced to 3, except Element Link, it would be excellent.

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If you reduce his special skill to 3 turns they could definitely make his mana fast (cabin boy peters). I like most players would prefer that but I donā€™t see SG going in that direction. I think heā€™d be more in line with a hotm if they keep him the same with average mana or make him tankier. That would actually make me want him. Ascension mats are hard to come by and right now I donā€™t give Miki scopes over Ariel, Frida, Aegir, Misandra just thinking of the ice heroes released in the past year imo.

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@zephyr1 Is Miki really that solid against titans without multiple mana pots and potions? I get it a lot of us use 2 pots in order to get Wu, Ranvir, or Tarlak charged up right away. However, we can usually keep them going at fast and average speed in that 90 seconds. With slow mana though I could see people going through a lot of minor and mana pots to see significant increases in titan scores. It just seems youā€™ll need to use a lot of resources in order to get the best out of his strength.

Mana speed

Devs appear to be responding to feedback about his special skill speed.

From a very good friend:

Designing a HotM

The evolution of Miki appears to be Wu Kong, Hel, Peters, Proteus, Tarlak, Ranvir

But I would actually argue that Miki is not created for titans but for triple bosses. I hardly ever bring my Proteus to titans because his DOT is low for titans and titans have a huge mana bar. But I bring my Proteus against triple bosses all the time. Proteusā€™ mana speed makes little difference versus triple bosses because I am using mana potions as often as needed. Miki would be an improvement over my Proteus + Wu Kong because Miki 's silence, and other heroes special skills, would never miss. Miki would be strong versus red bosses and neutral versus purple/ yellow bosses.

I would also argue that by leaving Miki 's mana speed at slow, the Devs are explicitly creating him for situations that are not titans so Miki does not replace Ranvir ( fast ) and Tarlak ( average). In this case Miki reminds me of Hansel/ Peters ( fast ), Proteus ( average) and Little John ( slow ).

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Spending gems and then telescopes on hero mostly useful on bosses sounds like a huge waste.

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Titans are king

Okay.

Titan loot tiers

My alliance is still fighting 6* titans after 2 years.

Triple bosses guard most my 4* ascension items and emblems.

What is your roster

I am leveling up my Little John ( slow mana, debuff all enemies), but for other players it is less helpful:

So I would personally level Miki, but for players with Hel, Tarlak and Ranvir, they very likely have better options.

Versatility, Flexibility, Utility

I would love if costumes made every hero useful in multiple situations, but that decision is up to the design team.

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Iā€™m not saying itā€™s not important to be able to kill bosses. But you donā€™t need any HOTM to do that. Sure Miki will be useful in some scenarios, but players with limited budget should focus on all-rounders instead of niche heroes IMHO.

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What are they doing to this hero? :confounded: Thereā€™s like 1 week and a day before heā€™s released.

Heā€™s certainly outclassing Tarlak now for titansā€¦ well Iā€™d say that, if not for the slow speed. I guess if Mana potions arenā€™t a concern he outclasses Tarlak, but Iā€™m not a fan of heroes that need a lot of support against titans.

Ranvir works the way he is but heā€™s a fast hero, so he can charge in time for raids even on a defense team. Miki at slow speed, below average HP will not work the same way, heā€™ll be in a lot of trouble on defense teams and even on offense heā€™ll be tough to get charged.

At the end of the day though, Iā€™m fine if they just want to make him a core titan specialist. Itā€™s not like titans are a minor game element, they are the most common alliance task so excelling at it is important for your success and to help your alliance out.

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Titans are king

Ok.

Click for a long, long, rambling post that will not be seen by most players and is unlikely to interest any forum user, except maybe Dev Tim ( waves to Dev Tim ). Yeah. It has been that kind of day

Game breaker

What I hear are people saying Miki is not Over powered. Miki is not a must have titan hero. Miki is not a must have defense team hero.

A lot of what I am hearing about Miki reminds me of Aegir.

Budget

It depends on a playerā€™s luck, budget and roster.

If a player summons Miki during Challenge event, or AR, should the player leave Miki at 5* 1.1 and chase Tarlak? Ranvir? Hel?

It depends.

Roster

I have 2x Joon, Frida, and Marjana but I have spent zero 4* ascension items on them because they will not help me get 4* ascension items or emblems.

I try to level heroes that fill a hole in my roster, help me get non farmable items, and add to the versatility, and flexibility, of my roster.

Different rosters, and different alliances, may make different decisions.

Class quests

Hero XP is more plentiful with AR and Advanced House.

On average, you get 3x 3* ascension items for each 1x 4* ascension item.

I have leveled many heroes to 5* 2.60, and 5* 3.70, because they help me complete Class quests.

Barbarian Miki is strong versus triple red bosses for both Barbarian class quests. Monk Tarlak is banned.

Miki is strong versus Red Hood, Red Queen, and rumored Black Knight. Tarlak is weak color.

Miki is strong for Mystic rings rare quest. Tarlak is weak color.

Like Wu Kong, and Proteus, Miki does not have to be max tier, max level to maximize Mikiā€™s special skill.

I leveled Aegir to 5* 3.70 mainly for Paladin quests. But several times Aegir 5* 3.70 has been useful in other situations.

Mikiā€™s element, and class, make Miki much more useful at 5* 2.60 and 5* 3.70.

But Miki at 5* 4.80 must also be weighted against the individual situation.

Like

Personally I like the current Miki. Miki might be like my idea to farm 1.7-4 with 2x Melia 3*+1, not optimal but lots of fun, but I like Miki. Thanks Dev Tim for creating Miki.

HotM business model

Personally I think 4* ascension items drop rates, and 5* 4.80 Hero XP requirements, work poorly with the long term 5* HotM / 5* AR business model.

But for short term gains it is the metaphorical gold mine.

Hope

Like Aegir, I think Miki fits poorly with Empires current business model. But that actually gives me hope for the business model to evolve.

FIN

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I agree that Miki looks good, especially with the added attack increase (I actually feel the new bump is a bit much) and have a hard time understanding how tarlak is looked at as amazing and yet folks arenā€™t super interested in what looks to be a better overall hero. Having said that: for manyā€¦ quests and trials arenā€™t a concern, nor is titan damage, and the area that most folks I talk to want improvement in, is war attacks and defense, which sadly, he doesnā€™t seem to help in ā€¦ so I guess I kind of get the mixed reaction.

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