Please stop blaming every bad design decision on greed. Alchemy lab sucks for everyone. A better alchemy lab would have made more money.
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A better Alchemy Lab would have made this game less money because people would have stopped buying those seasonal deals that sold 4* AM.
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22 million times this! Thatās exactly how I feel. I keep hoping that the original team will somehow stand up for their loyal player base and say, āback off Zynga, weāre not doing thatā. Itās becoming abundantly clear that wonāt be happening.
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The player base can stop buying deals, donāt build the Alchemy lab, refuse to spend for awhile. Iām just waiting for that hero academy to be just a disappointment too add the fuel.
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So it seems SG is developing quite an interesting new feature called path of valor.
Accoring to beta info it is supposed to reward players for grinding which is great because all players have to grind.
It seems that the rewards are not RNG which I am sure a lot of people will love!
A valor pass will be offered which will allow better/more rewards for valor points.
And exactely here SG seems to be on the verge to make a big mistake!
Buying valor pass should not give DIFFERENT rewards it should give MORE rewards of all things that path of valor has to give.
Please SG you have listened to this forum and your players before.
We told you, that you missed a golden PR opportunity by not giving a reward for the finishing of season 1.
You read you thought you made it so.
And you learned because there was a reward for finishing S2 from the beginning. 
We and of course beta told you hiding the weekly tournament behind a paywall was a bad idea.
You listened, you thought and you found another way to make money with the tournament so we have now a weekly tournaments which may have its problems but is acessible for all and lots of fun.
This are only 2 examples of things that worked out and there are many more.
With alchemy lab you did not get the turn.
We told you that the lab in the current form will not be interesting for even ptp and we have now content that alot of players ( at least according to this forum ) dont even bother to build.
So please! dont tell the ftp players, which seem to grind even more than the ptp players, that all their grinding only gets them mediocre rewards and they have to pay if they want the good rewards.
This could be taken as an insult and will defenitely lead to a huge outcry on this forum and very bad PR for your game.
Since you have fixed rewards you cant up the chances to get something for valor pass buyers but you can give them MORE of the things you give out as rewards ALL players get which again fits with your game model.
Thanks for listening and thank you for a great game which will hopefully stay great and interesting for a couple of years to come.
Best regards
Elayanith
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Hello,
Finished reading, must think.
A few observations,
i wonāt spend more than what Iām currently.($15 month)
Will decide on it after seeing the rewards, challenges.
Wonāt change my current playstyle.
If it turns out to be too money hungry, then maybe, time for some other game.
So far Iāve enjoyed the game, the good, bad and ugly. If it turn out to be money grab, Iāll just go ftp, and concentrate on my alliance and events. Iāve already cut back on farming, summons (no point in it if i canāt get compasses, have allready a dozen of heroes waiting) raids, (revenges againts teams of 5s maxed+ with 4s is a best very difficult) except for 3 & 4 tournaments.
I hope this feature is well tough out and fair for all players.
As far as the new buildings the only ones Iām interested in are farms, mines and storages. I would like the hunters lodge but will hold for a bit, i could buy the stuff in the store but i have better use of the few gems i can put together.
AR, for me, is the best that SG done recently. Until last month that is.
Expectations, none.
Wolf9
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Just gonna throw in my two cents: As a paying player who will almost certainly buy the valor pass, i hope to g-d that the free rewards are damn good anyway. Us paying players need the ftp player base to be plentiful so the game stays full and robust. Really hope SG n Zynga stop doing all these things to alienate them soon. Canāt say Iām real optimistic though.
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Couldnāt agree more to this. This was also my first thought.
Most players would be happy if everyone were able to unlock the same rewards with F2P having to grind all the way through while Valor/Speed pass users can take shortcuts. They would then pay to save time and avoid much of the grinding.
Iām quite sure that there would still be a lot of customers for this model of the Valor Pass while on the other hand free and c2p players wonāt be annoyed. Please just donāt get too greedy @SGG, otherwise many non and low budget players will feel like third class players and ragequit while spenders will feel like getting milked more and more every new update. Please donāt destroy this great game by turning it into an blatant cash grab.
What would come next? Atlantis Coins quest and Find Gems III and IV if you buy a VIP Quest Pass? Season 3 map where province 4 onward needs VIP Valhalla Pass? 
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For the love of Odin donāt give them any ideas!! 
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This is what confuses me. I used to think that way but I donāt think the FTP have much impact or sway as they used to. Heck , Iām not sure weāve had much impact at all ever. Hope Iām wrong.
If they introduce a great Trumpesque Pay Wall I will be quite sad but maybe itās for the better because it means I can be finally set free from the clutches of this addictive gameā¦
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The only way to get them to pay attention is to hit their wallet.
I wish we had someone playing E and P who was powerful enough to threaten to lobby/legislate for banning of lootboxes if they put up more paywalls
This is the only way in my mind where fire would fight with fire on equal terms
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I dunno if the FTP player base ever had any sway/influence either, but thatās not really the point. Their sway/influence should be implicit. Theyāre the lifeblood of the game. Without them, the paying players wonāt stick around too long either.
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The FTP player base are the common folk and the P2W are the lobbyists. Tell me which has more influence in Washington.
Fortunately for the most part the lobbyists seem to keep the common folksā interests to heart, for which I thank you.
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I donāt think any spenders were clamoring for an opportunity to purchase a pass that gave them rewards over 50 days while having to complete tasks, and meanwhile give minimal loot to free players.
Iāve seen plenty of spenders ask for there to be more offers, but I donāt think people were particularly lobbying for anything like Valor Pass.
This is a proven money maker from other games.
I think Small Giant is its own lobbyist on this one.
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Yup, definitely. Iāve seen a few posts from spenders on this thread(mine included) saying that they think this is ridiculous for free players.
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It was a generalized metaphor re F2P/P2W influence in the game. Personally I think the ālobbyistsā have only slightly more influence with SGG anyway.
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Beta Update
Small Giant Staff have indicated that this current Beta testing cycle will close on this Wednesday, October 30.
Thereafter theyāll evaluate feedback and develop the feature further.
Iāll provide further updates in this thread when Beta closes, and when Path of Valor eventually returns to Beta for further testing and feedback.
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What has the beta feedback been like generally on this? Positive? Hopefully optimistic? The opposite?
As of 3 days ago:
In the time since then, thereās been a fair amount of feedback on the nature of the Challenges, as well as the distribution of rewards between the free and premium tiers.
Thereās also been some discussion of hypothetical pricing, and potential reactions by the player base at large to various price points (including a post about that by me).
Because weāve been told so much of this is placeholder, I would say the feedback overall is fairly uncertain.
On the whole, it roughly mirrors this thread, though there continues to be more discussion here than in the Beta feedback thread so far. But thatās been typical for the last few rounds of Beta testing.
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Ok, thanks for all your efforts on this.
Weāll see what improvements are made for the second round of testing.
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