🧪 Early Information on Hero Academy [Part of The Beta Beat v30]

[zephyr1]

@General_Confusion

Low sample size, hard to draw any conclusion.

The results don’t seem to be much improving as the sample size grows.

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@General_Confusion

I assume you don’t have to research each stage, so those of us who only are interested in level 10 can just upgrade the building to that level and only research training of legendary heroes?

Correct, it works like all of the other buildings.

[IvyTheTerrible]

The Bad

1. It would have been nice to see S2 and event four stars have some trade-in value. Even three stars, as I’d gladly trade Vlad for a roll.

2. I do not understand this stubborn adherence to diluting every pool with Season 1 five stars. Even the S2 pool would be vastly preferable.

3. Given build times, research, and then operation cost, we’re talking almost THREE months to see your first replacement five star. Seems like a lot of time. And it makes it difficult for the community to evaluate whether or not level 10 is actually a worthwhile investment (since we’ll need to track a lot of rolls). I’ll refrain from speculating on whether I think that is intentional or not.

The Good

1. The lack of gem costs. I think some will say that makes this F2P-friendly, which I guess is sort of true. It’s more that it seems difficult for a P2W player to gain an edge here - they’re probably better off just summoning as they have been.

2. Given the way SGG has handled the recent testing of Telluria / Vela, I’m slightly more optimistic than I would normally be that this is a first attempt. Hopefully they will tweak it, as I think this is, overall, a pretty weak attempt.

My Plan

As is, looks like a skip! Early reports indicate that the chances of a HOTM is very low, and then you’re still drawing at a pretty large pool there, many of which aren’t that valuable. I doubt I’ll be willing to re-evaluate unless that percentage changes (and pretty dramatically). I wonder…is it even 1.3% right now?

In the future, I can see myself turning to this as an option to create feeder troops. But overall, this is really underwhelming.

[yelnats_24]

Level 2 and 4 duration are too long to be meaningful.

Level 5 and 8 are basically useless as by the time a player can build the HA, they will probably already have all classic 4* and complete set of classic 3*.

[Profound]

Levels 1 to 4 are features that are not required at all.

[anon60742279]

Sounds awesome. We need that. Thank you @zephyr1
Pulling a HOTM there possibly is like 0,01% of chance but it’s there for “free” so it’s kinda… good!!! Actually something good and exciting is happenning!!!

[rilian]

@IvyTheTerrible

But overall, this is really underwhelming.

Agree. Another bad feature like Alchemy Lab (slightly better, but not so much).

But I guess they do not want to lose a revenue from Tavern of Legends, so, we will end up like this(

[Purpeyes]

Must admit for 500 days in the making I was expecting it to be ground breaking and original. The concepts here are not exciting me.

[Rasputim]

@bobiscool

So there’s no reason to ever hold more than 1 useless 5 star dupe, cuz you can just reuse it continuously. Slightly disappointing mechanic there.

If you are in pursue of one single hero from the whole pool, then yes, but otherwise, you would want to keep all of the 5* dupes you come across until you have everything you want.

[Owen]

here’s to hoping that this first version of the HA SIGNIFICANTLY changes so that there is a plausible and not ridiculous % chance to get a past HOTM, as well as, the time and resources required, which is currently mind-numbing…Just witnessed 31 retrains in beta of 5* heroes to all S1 heroes… I am extremely disappointed with this first iteration in beta…it would be laughable had I not purchased extra spots and kept 5* heroes for this…Version 2 please. First suggestion- if you put in a HOTM, you should get one back…

[ProfLoki]

I love that it is 5 Star hero for another 5 star.

I love that it doesn’t cost gems.

I dislike the huge resource costs in iron and food for probably getting nothing.

I dislike the probability low chance of getting a special hero.

I am a bit sad that there are no season 2 or old event heroes in the mix.

I dislike the limitation to only one retraining at once. Will probably be a building where most people will never use something else than 1 certainly training.

So my suggestion:

1. Remove or dramatic lower the cost for embleming heroes. This would be a good move especially in the same update with a balance patch.
2. Allow people to choose multiple retraining from different kinds. 1 4star troops, 5 star heroes and any one below. Make these drain peoples iron and food.
3. Remove a few of the useless options and allow these:

• 5 star for random 5 star low chance for special hero but cheep
• 5 star for guaranteed random HotM with a long waiting time and gem costs. Time is something like 1. Month and unskipable
• like above for old event heroes
• like above for season 2

[Rosenquarts]

So, if I want to “retrain” one of my many Thornes, is there a chance that I will get just another Thorne in return? If that day ever comes… I’m gonna lose it.

[Mr.Sabaton]

There is an old hungarian saying for things like this. I would translate it to something like “One of my eyes is crying, the other is laughing” One is crying because after 2 years of teasing the feature they plan to keep me waiting for arounf 3 more months, i dont find it good sportsmanship. And the chances for the old HOTMs must be extremely low and i have never been very lucky with my pulls so its basically non-existent for me. My other eye is laughing because finally i can trade in my 5 duplicate Domitias and 4 isarnias for other heroes i May dont have already (like marjana, Azlar, Richard or Sartana)

[voidstrike]

Zephyr is going to ask.

Early Information on Hero Academy [Part of The Beta Beat v30]

I don’t know for certain, but how Alchemy Lab works and how the in-game text is phrased makes it sound like it’s not possible to get the same Hero. I’ll ask.

[Rasputim]

I get the disatisfaction from some, specially because how much time it took to be that simple, but at no gem costs, I honestly think this feature will be awesome.

It will allow F2P / C2P to catch up to the whales and trade dupes of both heroes and troops, plus a chance on a past HOTM.

That being said, let the beta testers give us a better projected % rate on getting a past HOTM. I think 5% (as TC20) would be awesome.

Edit: Also, considering same color training awards better xp and better chance at increasing special attack, HA should feature something like this: if you feed in a past HOTM, S2/S3, event hero, you get an increased % at scoring a past HOTM. That would be very interesting.

[Stl4life101]

This is a sight for sore eyes. This could’ve been completely butchered like the Alchemy lab was so I’m quite please with this version. Long wait times or not.

[LucaeBirba]

Thank you so much @zephyr1 this whole post made my day much better

[CHENZ]

The only thing I can see which is valuable is probably lvl 7 which I can stock 60 Trainer for a month to power level upcoming HOTM.

That’s it. No lvl 10 BS

[rilian]

@Rasputim

That being said, let the beta testers give us a better projected % rate on getting a past HOTM. I think 5% (as TC20) would be awesome.

Edit: Also, considering same color training awards better xp and better chance at increasing special attack, HA should feature something like this: if you feed in a past HOTM, S2/S3, event hero, you get an increased % at scoring a past HOTM. That would be very interesting.

This will make HA a best in-game building)) Very good)))

[HostileOx]

They really need to make sure that we are able to retain value from what we put in. It would not be hard to make it so a HOTM or Event hero put in can only yield a HOTM out. People would still be spending plenty of resources re-rolling to get Grave instead of Margret. I think a change like that would be very fair.

I don’t think it is right to have the most likely outcome when a special hero is put in be a downgrade to season 1 5 star. The devs must know that none of us value season 1 heroes the same as HOTM.

[Papca]

Nice!
I only miss possibility to train event heroes. Like exchanging one event hero for an another.