Damage Calculation

[Gryphonknight]

@yelnats_24

SG is testing reduced defender bonus but we are still not sure how much, for the example, lets just assume it still 20%. Thanks

New raid defense team, Attack bonus should be solvable using DOT ( see notes about DOT below ).

Raid defense team, Defense bonus has always been an educated guess. But original game was very rushed, so simple was probably better at the time. And the Attack 20%/ Defense 20% bonus seemed to fit with observed data.

SGG changed the damage formula at least once. One of the reasons I stopped my own data collection. So much time, and effort, lost. Bonus rant: and I still do not have any red 4* Guardian Falcon.

Notes

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DOT on defense

(Understanding DoT (Damage over Time) - #12 by zephyr1)

(Understanding DoT (Damage over Time) - #94)

New bonus

Hm. Trouble finding the exact quote. The SGG quote is, of course, vague.

• Starting a test on how decreasing the Raid defense team buff for high-level Raids affects the gameplay experience and defense win rates

(Version 39 Release Notes & Status)

Defense +20%

Defense +20% bonus appears to be mostly discussed in Discord/ Beta Lounge

Professional math guy @Garanwyn

Both @Garanwyn , and @zephyr1 , joined after the known damage formula change ( see hidden nerfs below )

(Critical Damage - A Short Guide to Understanding - #15 by zephyr1)

(Anzogh – New April 2019 HOTM (Hero of the Month): First Thoughts & Discussion - #348 by zephyr1)

@Gryphonknight

You need to be a bit careful with statements like that. There’s very strong evidence that the stacking effect linearizes at high stacks like 4-1 or 5-0. But the same is not true for added defense on a single hero.

Further, the 20% defense boost for defenders magnifies the +Defence gained through emblems. The number of tiles required for a kill will likely get worse, not better, for color stacks with emblems against tanks with emblems.

Hidden nerfs

Known damage formula change. Caused at least one data collection projects to end. And discouraged some of the players from trying again since SGG could just change it whenever they wanted with zero transparency. Impenetrable, and Opaque, the SGG marketing department/ legal department way.

@Gryphonknight

Damage formula

(Damage decreased)

(Defense debuff stacking 1.8 vs 1.9)

Awesome Forum

P.S. @Petri and crew, are awesome for keeping the official forum running. This kind of history post / historical research would be impossible on Discord/ Reddit

You cannot eliminate urban legends/ myths, but it is easier to untangle confusing subjects with primary sources like original forum posts available for citation.

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