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Okay, stop right there!

  1. 3* can be used right now on the map, on Beginner Events and in War where you don’t have 4/5*. Bane is a GOOD 3*, do not throw! (Remember you need 30 heroes for war!)

  2. HuTao is not bad, just not great. Duplicates (4x) can be fed for a guaranteed skillup! (Do you have five HuTao?)

  3. WUKONG!!! This is the hero that folks in the top 100 use to make insane scores off titans. DO NOT THROW!

When in doubt, wait it out. Read the Forum and learn about the cards you dismiss. They may be more valuable than you think. I still have and use my maxed Bane, and other favorite 3* cards. :slight_smile:


@Smooth_criminal I suggest you adjust your expectations toward the actual odds. This reply has the most useful summary I’ve found: Knights of Avalon Event Summon Results Megathread

One or more 5 * - 23.9 % (~half are event)
One or more regular 4 * - 82.9%
One or more event 4* - 42.6%
Only 3* heros - 6.2 %
Hotm - 110 pulls will give you only a 66% chance of landing 1 or more

If you aren’t happy with those odds at $20~30, don’t spend it on trying to pull heroes in this game…and know that random number generators being what they are, your results will probably vary from typical quite a bit!

Given odds like this at a 10-pull (which gives you a 13% savings compared to singles), don’t spend your gems on single pulls looking for 4-5* heroes. (I had NO blue 4*s after my first 10-pull, so I did blue elemental pulls 'till I got one; I think it took 4 to get Kiril, and that felt like a justifiable exception.)

There are a few spending “thresholds” for me. (Been playing a month now)

First is the really good deals. The ones that give you double the gems for your money, or guaranteed ascension items cheap. The VIP pass is top of that list. (The starter special if you happen to be in your first few days of the game, too. Spending that $10 at the starting gate made for a huge initial boost; I effectively started with a 3* lineup plus Layla, which was great!)

In other words, $10 got me over that first hump of playing with Bane and 2* heroes. I suspect it would have taken a week or two getting there for free.

If it is in your budget, there are other exceptional deals, usually the event specials, seasonal/holiday specials, and the occasional randomly popping up epic offer…although not all of them are that good. Many give you ~2X gems/dollar compared to the standard offers.

My second threshold was getting over the “next hump”. When my 3* lineup was pretty much maxed, I could see that I wasn’t going to be going anywhere until I got a 4* lineup, and I bought my way to a full lineup–three 5*, nine 4*, and enough 3* that some are food. And, of course I then had to buy extra slots with some of those gems…to hold all the good heroes I wanted to develop, or at least hoard. I bought at the good deals, and had quite good luck too. I’m very happy with my results for ~$75 spent.

I’ll be getting a full team to level 60, and have items to get a couple to level 70, 'tho I’ll probably get more “extra” heroes of a particular color to 60 before I see many at 70. My “next hump” is going to be about ascension items, and from what I’ve read, that is one you can’t buy yourself over…and even trying is stupidly expensive…so I doubt I’ll be making a third purchase in this “hump” category.

I’d also note that randomness still impacted my lineup even with “good luck”. I have too many green, too many purple, too few blue, too few yellow, and too many healers. Eventually the gaps will get filled in.

That leaves me with the last and highest category of spending, one that I’ll probably not feel happy about personally, but I’ve read of plenty of people doing it: OH-MY-GOD-I-WANT-THAT-HERO! As in as many 10-pulls as it takes to get a specific event hero or HotM. (I’ve read of 10+ 10-pulls / $260+ to get one hero before, and that may not even be particularly bad luck…)

Of course, I might feel differently come May–Aeron doesn’t fill any sort of need in my lineup, so he’s easy for me to let go on by. (And I was really happy to beat the odds and get Deliliah from one 10-pack in March.)


I also spent a lot of money on this game. And I often complained about not getting the right heroes or items or whatever. But to be honest, it was my decision to spend my hard earned money. They don’t promise you 4 or 5 star heroes. There’s a chance to get them. So actually, it isn’t their fault, they just make an offer. If someone is willing to take it, it’s their own mistake. I stopped spending big money and enjoy the game like it is.


This game is more about the really great people you meet who also play. Is frustrating at times? heck yeah! It is also a patience tester. This is a great game that even better people play.


Spending more does not give you increased chances at anything except disappointment. I spent over $1200 between the two Avalon events trying to get Guin and failing, while also hearing of people getting her AND Aeron off of one 300 gem summons. Yes, I have a gambling problem and now have to live out of my car.
The only increased chance you get at 5-stars is elemental summons vs. regular summons. However, the increase probably isn’t much in absolute terms.


(I’m hoping to hear from the Devs at some point when we might see previous HOTMs return, so some folks get a chance at ones that eluded them.)

Me, I will be on TC20 Mountain trying to churn out regular 5* for free.


I guess my biggest complaint was getting the same hero on three out of four pulls. I’m a retired computer programmer and I don’t mind giving the developers some money, but a bit of code could ensure a bit less randomness in that situation. Is there a point in keeping multiple copies of the same hero?


For 3*, they struggle to max their special 8/8 before they reach level 50. So saving up 4 of them at a time to get a 100% special increase is a good tactic.

For 4* and above, having multiples of each hero can be helpful for Alliance Wars. For example, I currently have 2 Boldtusks leveled because he’s so good on attack. I keep 2 copies of each hero and more if it’s a really good hero. Outside of Wars sometimes I see double heroes on regular raid defense teams too and those can be brutal. Double Li Xiu, Colen, Alby, Sartana…


I tend to spend money when there are ascension items that I need offered. The gems are just an added bonus which I use for event summons, or speeding up wanted chests.


That’s a great point…Just take it for what it really is, there aren’t any promises other than you have a chance at getting something you want. It’s up to us to decide if we’re willing to take the risk. This game can be really tough to play when expectations take over. It’s a money pit, period. But that doesn’t mean that there’s no fun to be had, if you’re willing to exercise some patience and go at your own pace. You’ll come across some great people and grow slowly but surely…I’ve done my share of spending, but at some point you have to cut your loses and just be smart about it. I’ve been cutting down my spending over the last few weeks and only jump on offers that I find real value (to me) other than that I just use gems to skip wait times, buy the occasional world energy and that’s about it…We have to be smart about this whole spending thing and expecting all the goodies every time…
I don’t know what’s going on, but the rewards have been sub standard as of late…I hope they cut us a break soon…


Yeah I got a Delilah and she is a beast… Thank you for the feed back


As people have said it’s useful for AW to keep 4* dupes and thats about it.

One of the frustrations of any card collecting game is getting duplicates. What’s lacking compared to physical cards is a swap mechanic, and the joy of swapping ). That might be interesting but unbalanced in this world ( not advocating donating or selling heros to other players, but some kind of swap meet room might be nice).

Otherwise an option to cash in duplicates of 4* and above for gems might be nice (4*=200 5* = 400?).

I’d much rather have another roll than feed to another 4*

Edited to add - Other games attach a unique attribute to some items , meaning you can have only one, I think that might be helpful in the case of hotm , and possibly event heros. Not sure of the benefit exactly except to reduce frustration amongst players who never even get one hotm :stuck_out_tongue:


I’m thinking about how to spend my money (and gems) for best value in the game.

As @Pyros said, speeding training and building is just a waste; I figured that out myself…but speeding chests is a different question, and harder for me to figure out.

WW, you’ve been here long enough to figure out what is a good value for you, and I’m curious about the value you find in it.

I’m still early/mid development in the game, and still have big gaps in my hero roster (i.e. only one >3* in each of blue and yellow), and keep my spending light (under $50/month, perhaps way under that).

I’m saving my gems for the next time I can afford my next (single) 10-pack epic or event summon, and I can see that its value FOR ME, where I am in the game is far better than its value would be for you where you are in the game.

What is the value (and net gem cost) of accelerating chests and buying world energy?

Does it work well only for more developed players or bigger gem spenders than me?


accelerating chests brings more elemental chests which brings more ascension items.

more world energy is useful at any stage mid level or higher, where you are both leveling heroes and starting to craft mid and high level items. lower level players should save to build their hero roster.

When you have all the 4s, chasing event 5s is literally the worst value you can buy. You have a 0.14% chance (give it take a bit, but it’s under 0.2 %.) to get a specific event 5 on a single roll. if there’s not a must have HOTM, i’ll do a few 10x for events, but no more unless there’s event 4s that i need/want, and that won’t hsppen for me until a new event is run).

another end game higher value spend is 10x epic troop summons. th food cost is so high that even if you have all the 4 star troops you need the 3 star feeders are very welcome. once you have all h heroes and waiting on ascension mats, leveling troops adds to all your teams power (maps quests defense events AW).


(isn’t there a tiny chance of an ascension item in a regular chest too?, making it a 1% better than that :wink:)

OK, that makes sense. Plus chests have gems in them, so the net cost is a bit lower. If I’ve got the flags to fill a chest, spend gems so my farming does it.

I’m soooooo far from that point; I don’t even have one yellow 4* yet (Got Deliliah instead; I’m NOT complaining :grin:) I’m thinking that my best value for gems right now (besides accelerating chests) would be saving up and doing a 10-pack (or two if I’ve really saved up) during an event…as the event heroes will be (ultimately) harder for me to collect than the regular ones, which are always available, and come out of a TC20 when I finally get there in a month or three…

Maybe even Pirates in May, which A) seems to have less exciting heroes than Guardians or Knights, and B) Is the exact opposite of what I want to fill the holes in my current roster…I’ve got extra green and purple, enough red, and a pending shortage in yellow and blue…


As Dante pointed out, you’ll have better chances at receiving ascension mats sooner when you skip chests. Don’t worry about whether you need the ascension mats or not, you will at some point. Consider buying the VIP pass which will give you the second builder and 30 gems a day. Use these gems to skip the wait times. I would be happy to get into more details as to how you can maximize your gems to fill chests, get the most recruits for training your heroes to buil a solid core roster. Contact me via the app ‘Line’. I go by wormwood9


As long as people keep spending, nothing will change. Do you honestly think SG cares about its players? Absolutely not! They want our money, period! They built this game to soak money from people. Ridiculously low chances of loot and heroes, always being matched up with higher level teams for raiding and alliance wars, supposedly random boards that always seem to be random in the worst way, all part of the scam. Why do you think they won’t reveal the drop rates of anything? Because nobody would spend money if they knew just how far over the barrel they bend you. This is a decently fun waste of time but I would never spend a dime on it, I highly recommend doing the same.


FGO has heroes with 0.7% rate, and people still spend a lot. You don’t need to spend on this game.


Training camp 20 is a rip off! And the disgruntled spending has nothing to do with over or underspending your budget. It’s about getting your MONEY’S WORTH!! The new AW is absolutely worse. Developers are NOT listening to the customers and are about to break the camel’s back. My opinion

World of Cupcakes forum?

TC20 is free. It’s a bit hard to get ripped off by it when you don’t need to pay money to get it.