Furdinand was neutered big time. Why even create the hero in the first place if you do this? Ugh.
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Sg wise balance strategy result :
Whale & p2p many their hero lost skills = huge nerf theyāll lazy to spend more.
C2p & f2p new hero buff will make gap higher with old hero buff many will quit.
Well after v58 only left staff SG and zynga will play this game 
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Iām voting with my wallet.
No more spending until they retract the plans for this āupdateā.
I spent money to get these heroās, they nerf them and sell better heroās. Profiteering while pretending itās balancing.
Itās not right. I urge fellow players to do the same. Hit then where it hurts, the wallet.
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Perhaps SGG should create new event called Weaklings Pets and put Furdinand there now. 
originally, āmax HP reduceā was introduced to counter ānormal healā, while āHP Boostā was intended to counter āmax HP Reduceā. I fear that with this mechanic change, āmax HP reduceā will become like the well in ārock paper scissorsā
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I love that 29 people hearted this. The dev and PR team? No one wants this complete garbage. Another attempt at a consolidated money grab and a huge slap in the face for people with these characters. (Tons have at least 1) Iām now on the fence about quitting and will see how this develops. I think itās even better theyāre doing this after the last thing that made so many quit. The best part is calling it a ābalanceā when all theyāre really doing is nerfing the last few events worth of good heros to try to lead to more money making pulls. The only āpositiveā coming out of this is a way to reset they insane cost of double LBing the heros that everyone is going to have to after their ābalanceā nerfs the crap out of them. So you can spend all the mats on the new heros that are OP until they also get nerfed! Iām OK with power creep, itās unavoidable, but what the way theyāre trying to make sure spenders have to keep spending more is going to alienate more and more. Iām there for sure if it goes live in anything close to what theyāre suggesting.
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What a great to hear, finally developers and maybe CEO has some free time to play their own game for sometime?
Put an end to era of Ludwigdiculious and friends.
#nospend 
Thatās part of the problem. This global imbalance was announced AFTER the release of Alphas. Really bad timing for spenders.
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That could be arguedā¦
Rhys has boosted health and cleanse while being faster then fastā¦ Beacuse of his speed, he can be placed on any position, which makes him very versatile hero.
Phenexa can really get crippled with buff blocker, neither she can save teammates for turning on their own buffsā¦ She is certanly better than rhys, if things are looking good already, she can make situation even betterā¦
both are great heroes nonetheless
Not going to lie, Iāll probably retire after this crazy update. Itās just going too far. There is more put in to getting and leveling of these heroes than just money and resources. There is time and care invested as well. This just isnāt the kind of game that needs these types of micro (and macro) adjustments. Either listen to the beta testers and release the card in a form that can exist forever, or donāt release them at all.
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The timing of this is really bad. You release Alpha Aethers (which beta told you were too op), get people to buy them and use them, then ābalanceā the very heroes that they used the AA on. This balance should have been done before AA were introduced! The timing of this shows the community that you arenāt in tune with us. I understand that Take Two/SG is a business, but if they cared about the longevity of the game, they would pay more attention to their community. Doing it in this order destroys any trust youāve built with your players. Nerfs never go over well. Even when itās just one or two heroes, there is an uproar. The sheer volume of this ābalanceā affects every single player in this game. While I understand the point being made that this could improve gameplay, the timing is completely inappropriate. Whoever decided to do these two things, in this order, is completely out of touch with the E&P community. So again I implore you to really listen to your beta team. Slow down, adjust, be truly willing to listen.
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Fortunately, this solidifies my resolve to spend no more. I am finished. Things change on a whim and heroes I thought I was getting when I spent money to pull are no longer what they were. I have no confidence in this company. In a way, Iām glad this balance change is happening because itās finally (finally!) hit home. Iāve wasted too much of my money on this game. Shame on me.
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I feel terribly sorry for this game and its players (me included), totally disrespectful to the players (customers) that literally feed the developer, the company, the staff. Yet our voices meant nothing to them. Why do we need balance updates for ? So that you can screw us over and over again? Selling us overpowered heroes and nerf the hell out of them later for ? For a job that you screwed up in the first place when u release such heroes.
3 words for the developers and teams, you ā ā ā ā ā ā up.
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Iām done spending any cents. We purchased something that we like and not get short-changed later by your bullshits heroes balance update, when you need to do that it means you screwed up the job you are suppose to do in the first place. But we paid for your mistakes? Seriously? You should be giving options of refunding every single items to your players when u chose to balance the heroes you sold to them.
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Looking at the list of changes and especially how stingy SG will be with the only one thing which is slighlty beneficial to the players - the Aethers reset token - I predict further steady number of players dropping the game in the next months. SG are so far kings of the stupid decisions, with an occasional good one here and there. But one cannot make a decent cake if they use a large quantity of mud as an ingredient, mixed with a little bit of flour, and keep adding more and more mud on a daily basis.
Edit: Two very decent starting changes will be: 1) Add a FULL reset token instead of the planned Aether reset token to be able to bring a maxed hero to 1/1, including costumes, and distribute a decent quantity to be able to be received for free. 2) Do not touch how Tomes of Experience operate. That will still not solve the problem with numerous 5* which were chased by certain players, but at least the majority will be somewhat content with the changes.
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Thatās why I have always said, whales helped nurtured this company to this state. Not telling them how to spend their fortune, but they do hold the biggest bargain chip in negotiate with the Dev for betterment of the game, which they obviously have no interest in doing and continue to hand feed the Dev for every bad decisions and minimal effort content/updates.
We can make 100k post, it will not have the same effect as top 100 alliance stop spend for 3-4week. If they have discipline and pull one off, you will see SG come begging when their wallet is hurt. It is ultimately us who keep their company running, yet we are like slaves serving them and take w/e BS they throw out, how sadā¦
If I get paid regardless of how bad a job I am doing, why should I care, is really that simple lol
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Idk what level of play you enjoy the game at, but I personally am in a top 5 alliance. I will tell you that those at the top are furious with this decision. Also, as I said up above in my pervious post. If you donāt have a paying customer base you donāt have a game. Playing the blame game towards other players is not constructive, you should place your blame squarely where it belongs, towards SG and Zenga.
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Reading their point of view here makes digesting this change a bit easierā¦
We had fast AOE that deal 260% 275% 280%ā¦ we would have had 300% and 320% soon if they continued with the same pathā¦ I like the capping idea under the condition of giving everyone enough Alpha reset tokens as the heroes negativley affected by this changeā¦ I wouldnāt want an reset token for my Lewena as she will still have one of the hardest fast AOE hit since all others would ne capped at 250% as wellā¦
Of course some nerfs are unreasonable such as Brynhildā¦
I just donāt hate the idea that much if all heroes current and new follow this balanceā¦
Increasing damage will come from family bonuses and troops.
āFor a long while in designing and balancing new Heroes, weāve mainly placed our attention on crafting interesting Special Skills and fine-tuning their numbers. Raw stats werenāt too actively utilized for balance purposesā
This is horribly sad and pathetic explanation.YOU CALL YOURSELVES GAME DESIGNERS and then come out with this explanation!? You are essentially rebalancing 1/4 of the entire available heroes in the game. What? Your statement might as well have said āWe are all awful at our jobs and didnāt have the hutspa to tell our bosses that the money grabbing direction that they were taking the game would completely unbalance it.ā
First thing you should do - fire your entire QA staff, the manager and whomever that manager reports to. Then follow up with your lead designer and find out why the hell you all decided to release 400+ heroes since the taketwo fiasco and are now looking back at how horribly youāve unbalanced the game. Isnāt the entire idea behind your business model to keep players engaged and spending on the game? Releasing broken heroes, ignoring feedback from beta testers and chasing a quick dollar aināt it. THEN - cherry on top - yāall decide itās time to completely change the game because youāve released the immense error in your direction.
Second thing you should do - think before you act. Based on your history of ābeta testingā Iām willing to bet that 95% of the proposed changes go straight into the game without a second thought from your ā ā ā ā poor managers. Your long time players are already abandoning ship left right and center. YOU JUST RELEASED ALPHA AETHERS THAT COMPLETELY BROKE THE POWER BALANCE AGAINST THE OVERWHELMING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND BETA. And now, NOW, youāre thinking āoh crap, maybe we shouldnāt have done thatā¦. I knowā¦. letās throw even more chaos into the mix by rebalancing the majority of powerful heroes.ā
All I know is that for those revenue producing players that do stick around and continue to put food on your tables, they are all going to have to essentially relearn the game. You should be embarrassed and ashamed. Doubtful that you would put this project on a future resume after this plays out. You are putting this game in its grave with every decision you make.
How bout instead of putting out 40 new heroes a month you focus on some quality of life features and lower that new hero count to 5 or fewer? The whales will still chase them and as a result you wonāt completely unbalance your game. More fun + a slow drip of new content = long term revenue growth.
Take a business class please. Oh and hire some new artist - these new beach party cards look like utter trash. Sorry, not sorry. You guys are ā ā ā ā ā ā ā up. No other way to say it.
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So called āwhalesā are not to blame for this. The blame should be squarely placed on Take Two who purchased this game from Zynga in January of 2022. That is the point that this game changed for the worse.
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