Analysis of Power Creep of Hero Stats - Long Read Warning

[Garanwyn]

I would get a set of stationary made with a Xerox of my butt just for replies. “Dear Sir-- Having received your correspondence of 28th July 2019…”

[Elpis]

Just love this analysis. I really wish every player and every member of the staff read it and reasoning on it.

Could be moved on player guides or pinned?

[amrath]

@MysterySpin. Reviving this thread just to find out who Nadnog is. You’ve mentioned him/her several times and I’ve never heard of Nadnog in the entire 1 1/2 years I’ve played. .

[sas]

Nadnog was renamed Grazul before release

[amrath]

Awwww, I like the name Nadnog.

[SamMe]

I haven’t read the entire thread.

Just wanted to share an example of the disparity between a vanilla 5* and new seasonal event 5*:

[fight_happy]

@MysterySpin

as well as adding some 4* heroes

Wow. I had to skim but plan to go back and read more closely. But well done.

I have been noting on this forum that this game needs balancing.

- count and compare the number of 4* heroes vs 5* … it’s severely unbalanced

The player life stage where he/she should be chasing after building a good four star roster is too short and frustrating because SGG is shoving way too many five stars at us.

Seriously folks… think about how many four stars you have… and how gameplay would be different if you could spend more time in that category as a player before you progress towards five stars (most of which we can’t even use due to ascension mat chokehold for S1 five star heroes .)

Anyone have the latest count of four stars vs five star heroes in this game?

- why do HoTM all have to be five stars?

We seen what happens when the HoTM is powerful (tell and vela) - we wind up with a GLUT of them frustrating players.

We seen the frustration when people pull poorly designed or underpowered five star HoTM … they just sit there.

If every other month is a four star HoTM, it can still be attractive (and increase participation in other events with those heroes). Easier to level and use, it can bring more satisfaction to players… especially if the HoTM is so niche it can only be used effectively in specific context. Make those heroes four stars…

- considering how available S1 five stars are VS other five stars… why is the ascension mat requirements for S1 the same as other five stars?

Making it easier to ascend season 1 five stars helps all players (ftp to p2w) and will reduce player frustration and improve QoL.

[fight_happy]

@fight_happy

Anyone have the latest count of four stars vs five star heroes in this game?

Not counting costumes …

Is it

46 four star heroes

150 five star heroes

(Feel free to correct this)

Doesn’t anyone else think this is an inbalance?

Four/Five star ratio

• It’s fine the way it is
• It’s unbalanced and effects QoL

[fight_happy]

Lol. Yes.

Also. Bobby Lee.

Can SGG hire him for the next E+P commercial?

Here is a great audition tape where Bobby fights dragons

Bobby Lee MAD TV Dragon Hunter 2 - HIGH QUALITY

[FraVit93]

We need more 4* heroes but for now fights that involve them are balanced because they are few not overly strong, this could change if we get them too many of them.

Meanwhile 3* are unbalanced due to emblems and the autoattack damage

[Ventress]

There are currently 53 three star heroes, 61 four star heroes, and 128 five star heroes in the game.

Between the Christmas Event and December’s HOTM, we know there will be one additional 3 star, one additional 4 star, and 2 additional 5 star heroes introduced before the end of the year.

[Gryphonknight]

Rumor from Beta says new 5* HotM are now getting two innate abilities plus elemental link.

Considering how hard it is to get past HotM, this is

Fear Of Missing Out ( freemium edition)

and

Negative Power Creep

Devs could have used costumes to add positive power creep, but as Wu Kong’s costume shows, this is not their design goal.

[FraVit93]

I’m resurrecting this old yet still relevant topic for comparison purposes and to make a plea to game balance developers regarding heroes’ power and thus a stats improvement.

Older heroes desperately need to get a power increase to still be relevant.

A “new year” power increases to every released heroes up to a fixed amount (let’s say 800 power for 2017-2022 heroes) would definitely be solid starting point for any future balance updates.
The aim to this post is to allow older 3*, 4* and 5* heroes to still be relevant even if clearly owning weaker special skills.

@FraVit93

While speed up buffs has already been done in the past it the buff policy aims to still keep speed diversity. Whereas these special (damage+targeting+effect)/speed would be enough or not is up to debate.

• TIM: High level - always aim for variety instead of pure ‘race for ultimate power’ . So slower heroes must also be in the game, though not everyone will be ‘optimal ’. Of course, we try to buff these heroes later - but very important to not do the buff via speed up, even if players see it as the only option > this way we’d end up with only fast heroes in the game, which is boring!

[sleepyhead]

this is definitely worth a bump… these older heroes are outclassed anyway in terms of special skills and lack of passive specials/family bonuses, so why not keep their stats closer? especially as they still form the bulk of many players’ rosters.

[MysterySpin]

Wassssssupppp!!!

Long time since I graced these parts of the internet but had an email notification this thread got revived and we’ll currently looking around to change the current game I’m in.

So thought I’d check with those still currently playing whether this game remains the absolute cash grab that gives zero ■■■■■ about obseleting heroes that took mega-bucks to get in less than six months?

Things got any better or is it still like getting rogered by the wrong end of a Titan Harpoon?

[sleepyhead]

nice seeing you again @MysterySpin ,

I think this link will help shed some light the pace of hero releases has just gotten faster…

Chronological List of Hero Releases

Note: As of April 3, 2022, I have left the forums. I am not updating this post any longer. I put a copy/pasteable version of the list at the end of the thread if anyone wants to pick it up. Thanks for letting me a part of all this for the time it lasted. I was curious about how heroes have evolved over time, and went looking for a chronological listing. I didn’t find one, so I took a stab at making one myself using the forum, the wiki, release notes, and @Razor’s enphero.com. Most of these hero…

[FraVit93]

We had more and more events and related heroes. Some are funny, many are not…
And many old heroes really needs some love as newer heroes are just gods by comparison so… it’s still the same game with the same old problems.

[H2v0c]

At least they should implement significant Vanilla family bonus to Sartana & Co. similar to Legends family bonus which was the best improvement ever…

[Dannyoh31]

Out of curiosity… the new hero rayne has a calculated value of 697.41

This is +10.56% compared to the average s1 hero compared to the 2.5%ish increase from s1 to s2.

Interesting. Let’s check S3 and S4

S1 average 630.8
S2 average 648.75. +2.58%
S3 Odin 663.18 +5.13%
S4 Elizabeth 682.36. +8.17%
Knights rayne 697.41. +10.56%

So it’s slightly increasing each time but not by as much as I thought to my surprise, if you assume Knights and other top event heroes are similar to what we will get in s5 then basically they are going up by 2.5% each time, though slightly bigger jump to S4 more like 3% but I was expecting a less linear increase

Problem is that after all this time earlier heroes are clearly excessively weak. Costumes have “solved” this but are obviously not “free”

[sleepyhead]

agree… and also, problem is that the summoning odds for newer heroes still remain so low… it wouldn’t be so bad if the S2 or S3 heroes were easier to get, but no…