Yes they would - you know they would. Somebody always does.
Either that or āWORST HERO EVAH!!!ā. There is no in between.
I was thinking Dr Moreau had a similar effect to White Rabbit and Alice in the fact that their skills both reset if the target is healed. I thought the skills were the same just different effects but with the Wonderland event going on I realized Alice and WR skills both state their skill cannot be cleansed. Dr Moreau doesnāt explicitly state itās uncleansable so Iām wondering if people with cleansing skills but not healing (like Zim, C Caedmon, even Prof Lidenbrock since she cleanses first then heals, etc)
So is Dr Moreau skill cleansable? Not sure if SG is just being more concise with description like other skills or purposely left out. I assumed if a healer heals and then cleanses (like most healers) the skill will stay but now that I noticed the skill doesnāt specifically say itās uncleansable it makes me wonder.
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So raid defenses that have no healer or no minion summoner in their lineup will be eaten alive by spiders. Elizabeth is a must have!
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So, Aouda, Captain Nemo, and Zenobia still retain their power of mid 820s, while the others have been reduced to mid 800s. Will these 3 retain their 820s, or be dropped to 800s when Sr releases next week?
Unlikelyā¦
They havenāt ever returned to beta since the other heroes had their stats droppedā¦ So they cannot be updated in the OPā¦
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I think sheās designed especially for that role. There are quite a number of powerhouse teams out there that donāt rely on a healer and they just use whatever fast snipers they can find. Having Elizabeth around makes them think twice about not using healers.
I would say despite all the hate, S4 really was designed to nerf fast heroes in a right direction
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Having your healerās skill get nerfed or nullified is the only out!
Not too many fast healers out there 
There may be a lack of healers in defenses but there is no lack in minion summoners. With Bera, Freya, and Krampus running around currently I think that will put a bit of a dent in Elizabethās reign. Still with her and Uraeus I can see them being a powerful team against the current meta
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Ehā¦ at the level youāre likely to encounter Elizabeth thereās actually a fair number of options. Mostly 4 stars ā BT, Rigard, Mel, and Kiril are all effectively fast with thr right mana troop (or costume bonus + mana node + any mana troop).
Ariel + mana troop.
Lady Woolerton or Toxicandra.
Grazul or Garnet.
Probably some I missed.
I donāt think sheāll cause a change in defense teams by herself, but if thereās a 4 star that has an effective fiend it may.
Thanks @D_DI
I, and many others appreciate your effort
The resulting conversation from there to here when saturationās form. Is much worse than 4 vs 2 and unbearably toxic
Save clips.
Show the numbers.
And thanks againā¦
I donāt have Garnet, and am uncertain if boosted health will count towards ridding spiders. Iām positive that Grazul heal isnāt enough. But it will lessen the duration.
Soā¦ we have to use one of the 5 slots to equip a healer, just for spiders. While losing out on all or some of that heal.
You maybe underestimating that consequence. Especially when paired with Uraeus
Not just Elizabeth, russula is meant to counter fast heroes.
I couldnāt find it in the above chat. Any must haveās 3* or 4* that are better than most of their coloured counterparts. I donāt care about the 5s as i wonāt get any of them.
Iām actually trying to decide whether itās worth raising raffaele to counter Elizabeth because I believe heās the only healer to not be affected by her in anyways
Why would Raffaele not be effected by Elizabeth? I think if Raffaele has a fiend and he does his special, his first skill healing to 50% would be absorbed by the fiend until it reached the 28% max. If heroes are above the 50% they wonāt benefit from that part of the skill and only get the HoT and that would be absorbed by the fiends.
Raffaele is the best healer against Elizabeth because of his up to 50% heal and then HoT, but if the heroes have above 50% health then theyāll still absorb some of the HoT. Not sure if that is worth it for a slow hero or if Ariel would be better
I think Raffaele will only āremoveā the āFiendā instantly for those allies, who has got 22% or less health.
While healers like Rigard will only remove the āFiendā instantly for those allies who has got 72% or less health. (But I am uncertain about this second statement. I am unsure that the whole healing or the āeffectiveā healing is absorbed or not)
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This is going to hurt those using Toxicandra as a healer unless, between troops and nodes, there is at least a 17% heal boost I believe. Even then the entire heal is wiped out.
Another thought is would being attacked by Bera/Kvasir prevent fiends from spawning on you like minions are prevented?
If you have heroes with 3 minions, then a Fiend will replace the first minion.
So it is working the same as if you spawn a new minion in this case.
I was more meaning if you are fighting against Bera/Kvasir, they prevent you from spawning minions, wonder if they would prevent fiends from spawning on you. Say way that Fiends are same as Minions with Ureaus.
No, that was tested upthread.
Fiends are not minions. Nothing that works against minions works against fiends. They have to be explicitly mentioned, as with Urareus.
As also previously mentioned, this is going to confuse people endlessly.
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So what are everyoneās thoughts on these new heroes and ability to tank? Any standout as legitimate options for that role?