Wu Kong or Tarlak + Boldtusk

[KingCrowlPow]

Great work @thrashina so what are your thoughts on this new HOTM??

[thrashina]

Well this is a tricky one. - Let’s start the comparison:
Wu 707 attack 620 Def 992 HP → +185% Attack with -32% Accuracy for 5 turns.
Ran 768 attack 762 Def 1126 HP → +195% Attack with -35% Accuracy for 5 turns. AND 265% Dam to target, and +46% un-dispellable Dark Def for Yellow Heros.
But Ranvir’s Attack special only applies when you have less hp than your target.

It seems if you have a really strong team - he might not be that valuable for raids. But if say he is your strongest hero, he could be great to attack stronger teams.

35% is a very high miss rate.

He will be better than Wu against titans - since they ALWAYS have more HP than your guy - and if they don’t - it won’t matter, it is as good as dead anyway.

Statistically the +185 Miss -32% is basically the same as +195% miss 35%. (ends up being about a 1.1% damage advantage on average with Ranvir).

I don’t have him yet, but I don’t like that his special only is active under catch up conditions. He is quite a bit less squishy but only has 134 more HP - probably can’t be one shot easily. His attack is just a nice bonus.

A pure 5 Star Wu would be too powerful. So I think they did a nice job with him.
If I ran an all yellow team - I’d use Ranvir. Otherwise I’ll stick with Wu. Still Ranvir for Titans…
These are just my first thoughts and purely my opinion.

[Garanwyn]

Hi @thrashina, it looks like you’re doing your analysis without factoring in the exponential from the damage equation. I think that may shift some of the conclusions a bit, since the damage boost is inside the exponential, while the miss percentage happens on the final result.

[thrashina]

Hi @Garanwyn ranwyn
What exponential are you referring to? If I’m not using the correct formulas I’d live to learn what I’m missing…

[Garanwyn]

The best information we currently have on how damage is calculated is this thread:

Damage Calculation

After several months of statistical analysis of raid and AW fighting, here is my conclusion. The damage can be estimated from the attack / defense ratio with a power function. EDIT : After the post of RedPython, it made me think and I redid my calculations … And finally, everything is clearer! all my previous calculations are merged into one formula, so I modified the original message. Again thank you @RedPython! Damage ≈ 100 x ( θ x Att / Def ) ^ 1.35 …

There’s evidence that SG may have made some changes to raid damage since the equation was worked out, but it’s the best model I’m aware of.

[thrashina]

Thanks - I hadn’t seen that before!

[Garanwyn]

You’re welcome! I really appreciate the fact that you’re bringing mathematical rigor to the Wu vs Tarlak discussion. Hopefully, this helps.

[Milandarksider]

My camp 20 big 0.not gives too mi nothing…monatah hero 0 complet game for mi is big 0!playng every day but nothing

[daddy0365]

Hallo,
ben nog nieuw hier en heb Wu kong en boldtusk maar betekent stapelen.
mvg