Why Thoth-Amun Needs a Buff

So can you tell me where or what button I need to push just to reply to the whole thing instead of replying to one person??


Thanks, I hope I got it right


Perfect! Nice! :grinning:

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So many threads about toth, so maybe here is the better place to post my question:

Has there actually been any feedback from an employee regarding the Toth-issue?
Why did so many heroes, even hotm got buffed, but no one cares about toth? Bummer…

No, it’s that’s not surprising. It’s very unusual for staff to say anything, rarer still to address a specific issue with a hero. I can only recall that happening once, when mhalttu (the CIO) calmed the waters by stating that Aegir was being reworked. But Aegir was way worse than Thoth is.

Classes gave him a ninja-buff, as Delay is a nice skill, there are few decent heroes in that class, and his minion strikes (currently) can proc Delay. I’m seriously considering giving him emblems.

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Okay, thanks for your quick reply, Kerridoc!

Are you sure about delay caused by minions. In another post, devs replied that the minions do not proc talent, specifically for thoth amun

Can you share the link?

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check the reply from Petri


It was 1 time it procs. No evidence since then. My Ttoth at lvl 4 already with 6% chance and 0 result with minions procs the talent. Something is broken in that talent script. And Petri says that minions don’t proc his talent.

I recommend not to ascend him at all. Absolutely worthless hero good in nothing. Personally want my tabards back.

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Thoth is one in a long line of fine heroes that in the right configuration can be excellent. Like so many of the new heroes, in fact. If you can’t support the right configuration, he may be underwhelming, the same way Elkanen is underwhelming on his own (this changes if you have Evelyn). In the wrong configuration even a buff to 250% damage won’t change that he’s still underwhelming.

SGG has also shown that they want the newer heroes to be more flashy and generally better than the old ones stats wise. And has also indicated that the ‘skin’ concept will change older heroes, so maybe the buff is coming just not here yet.


We have screen shots showing the minions did proc Delay. Likewise, I’ve seen minions proc Wound when the host is Gravemaker. Damage from minions is also treated as “normal damage” for color-matched purposes: a red hero’s minion hits Strong (yellow type) against a green foe.

Yes, Petri said the minion’s shouldn’t proc talents, but there’s been no note in the change log that they’ve made any change. Still, I wouldn’t give emblems to Thoth without clarity on this point (if the minion proc is the deciding factor).


I did not know that his minion strikes could activate delay, that is some good info! Delay is by far one of the best talents – that mana reduction debuff can be severely crippling – so indeed that is a hidden buff he gets.

Does that also mean that Delilah or Saint Nick giving him a minion could activate Delay if he is emblemed? Although it takes time to set up minions, it still sounds mad good for both offense and defense tbh.

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IF minions still proc talents, then it doesn’t matter who casts the minion but who hosts the minion. Minions take on he attack properties of their hosts. If ypu’ve got Nick or Delilah casting minions, though, then it doesn’t really matter whether you’ve given emblems to Thoth or Quintus.


So, it is my understanding then that the minions either do no proc talents or are not meant to in the future. Meaning I should just keep my Thoth at 3/70 because that would have been my only reason to give him my first 6 Tabbards. Sigh, I hope he becomes more useful someday.


…or that Petri (the community manager) doesn’t have as deep an understanding of the mechanics. He’s off on holiday or I’d ask him.


Okay, thanks… I’ll wait on that for sure then.

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@Kerridoc I always enjoy going back in time with the game. This period brings back a lot of memories. I specifically recall understanding what was being offered to me through the game at the time and how it molded my perception of the future opportunity I had as a daily player with E&P. It will be very clear imo that Thoth has needed a Buff since release (well not long after getting him running at about 3/40 likely in the end of Jan 2018).

The most pivotal point in my gaming life was when I saw Thoth for the 1st time. Sends shivers down my spine because I nearly went into shock! I was well on my way to having Ares at a point of retiring BoldTusk who I had only had in tank for position for a short period. Until Ares BoldTusk was the most sought-after character in the game, the Ultimate Tank and a force that held the glue that surrounded him together. The goal of the game was a RAINBOW team. I was still in a 2/1/1/1 a solid EPIC team being replaced by HOTM’s.

Much shocked me with the release of Thoth-Amun.

  1. I had no idea he was coming nor why he would be.

  2. I literally had just laid down to rest for the first time in 5 months of chasing Hel, Athena, Ares, Musashi and Alberich! Falling short in obtaining the complete set of the one-of-a-kind never to be released again: ULTIMATELY ENGINEERED RAINBOW team! Alberich’s availability period especially those last 2 days stacked an amount of pressure on me and stress that I might not get him that was crazy! I failed. I went 4 for 5 and did everything possible that I could back then to seal the deal, it just wasn’t in the cards for me. My efforts however permanently tied me to the game as a financial investment.

  3. Like you DOC I was also lacking an element, I was always lacking an elemental to achieve my goal. My nemesis was NATURE going into Legendary player status. I had faith in Caedmon and it turned out he would carry me well into Legendary status (3 HOTM were maxed for some time before he was replaced, and Athena took me 6 months to obtain her materials however the others came quick.). Caedmons FAST hit hard enemy de-buffing skills (especially against Ares that others got to full before I could) were really impressive. Caedmon is the most dependable hero I’ve ever owned. He just wasn’t capable of playing at the level needed in the space I began to occupy n the game (well for a long time now).

  4. One might wonder what is it with you and Thoth? I was beside myself coming off the 5 month ride I had been on. I had no idea why he even existed, I didn’t know that the HOTM was going to be extended beyond the RAINBOW team offering, I didn’t know why it would be, just how I was thinking at the time.

So I’ll break away from the bullets now. I can’t explain how perplexed I was honestly seeing Thoth. He was cool looking though and a Dark character. Not knowing how long I’d be out of the grasp of a RAINBOW team my mind switched to dual element Legends and Thoth had something very special – the ability to summon an undead minion to fight with us! His card was like Hel’s in stats, yet he was FAST. Appeared would cause more damage as well.

Thoth was my 2nd maxed Dark (Hel my first). Just the mere idea of a minion was so cool - that he could spawn another life and it would fight for me! I recall he brought minions into E&P if memory serves me correctly. Back then I couldn’t fathom needing another Hel (though I held on to one of the extras I purchased through summoning). I went to work on Thoth quick because I was so excited after the shock wore off!

Well… my NATURE Achilles heel would continue for a long time. My ‘luck’ would end with Perseus in regard to HOTM summoning. I went on a 6/7 streak only missing Alby (who made clear quickly outside of Ares in general gameplay a huge problem for many yet Alby would cause me more problems than any Hero ever till him).

I went on a losing summoning streak that I didn’t know would ever end. I failed to obtain:

  • Natalya
  • Zeline (game changer)
  • Delialah (game changer until Gravemaker)
  • Aeron (very promising for awhile than kind of slipped out of the picture)
  • Alasie (had no idea what she would become capable of doing – game changer)
    #Edit!!! Good news I got Alasie last day#
  • Gravemaker (took the game to a whole different level and no one has truly challenged with any lasting success since early August 2018)

Having my summoning luck turn around for a month by picking up Gregorian after that half of a year dry spell in the later stages of the ELEMENT LINK intro phase I got my hopes up as it was clear Elkanen wasn’t capable of getting me anywhere close to where I wanted to be. Little did I know that Greg at least in my team of the 1st 4 Legend HOTM though could hold cups better that’s all he did for me.

Thoth was my first introduction to paying for a crappy HOTM and Elkanen set my hopes low with the regular Legends in our deck. Greg looked amazingly promising and I was hearing great things in the beginning… I heard them and didn’t experience them. Greg basically destroyed hope lol and I felt it wasn’t just NATURE an elemental against me it was MOTHER NATURE herself! Mother? Did I pick a flower wrong when I was younger? Maybe it was setting stuff on fire… lol probably the later.

Thoth was my biggest disappointment, he is the weakest implementation of minions in the game as far as I’m concerned so the hope around the ‘extra’ fighter, I honestly can’t think of a single fight I was like – dang glad I had that minion!

Oddly its often the ‘CREATOR’ or ‘DELIVERER’ of a new technology or skill that maintains the KEY to its power – usually coming full circle to reward them in some way, a benefit of some kind. No, I think every minion maker since Thoth is better.

The Elkanen and Thoth mistakes would keep me crippled for some time. The difference between them however is cost and Thoth was much more expensive than Elkanen. Elk however has never been forgotten. He recently got his 3rd BUFF by the developers in a positive direction. I wouldn’t consider him ‘balanced’ still.

So much time has passed since. RAINBOW teams lol. Not even the objective anymore. Thoth in the big picture – he’s truly crap. Yeah go stack him or whatever and tell me he has value. Put him in a Dark HOTM lineup and let all of us have an endless opportunity to pic from the Darks – given the opportunity to choose just 1, and lets see how many choose Thoth… NONE. He is arguably the worst HOTM period. Devs this is one you have overlooked for a long time! You gave Elk 3 swings and he basically struck out (though I appreciate your attempts and I will vouch for you - Elkanen, he is the best he has ever been). How about giving the Dark Mother of Minion the bat now?

p.s. if your wondering about my RAINBOW goal. I did achieve it. It took a ton of study and data collection. I identified who I had to obtain to achieve it. I worked hard toward it. I put a lot of time and money into it. I was able to enjoy it for a while. Unfortunately, I see it coming to an end already, which is a bummer. There is always going to be bigger, better, faster and more far reaching skillsets. I’m hoping to find a solution within my exiting inventory to address it.

Take care! And best success E&PEEPS!


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