The last one to be activated is the one that is counted. They do not stack.
Thank you. I think this is the key that I’ve been looking for. I often Raid with Viv & Kadilen stacked with Lianna in the lineup if the enemy has a blue tank.
Every AoE becomes more devastating when you stack with a same color de-buffer or Kunchen. That doesn’t make them great, that means they need big bro or big sis to be effective.
I really like her… but being green — it makes no sense to me that she blocks no dot damage, given the description
Also, I guess we are to assume similar buffs & de-buffs never stack unless the hero’s card says they do - even if the icons are different. That’s what had me wondering…Kadilen’s buff icon is unique and appears along with Viv’s or Kiril’s. Whereas, if I activate Viv and then a Kiril, the icon stays the same, but Kiril’s lower defense buff is what you’ll see if you long press your hero for stats.
According to this thread, normal defense buffs should stack with Kadilen’s special defense buff:
However, Kadilen’s extra defense only applies to special skills, so it doesn’t show up as an increased defense stat like a normal defense buff does.
This simply can’t be the case. And that’s what had me wondering if Kadilen was not functioning as intended.
Case in point, I literally JUST had a raid where I activated Kadilen and then Vivica. BOTH of their +Def icons were active when the enemy’s unbuffed (not boosted) Marjana hit my Alice with +20% Def troops + the 2 buffs. That means my Alice (if the Def buffs stacked) had a Defensive stat of 1880!!! during the strike. Marjana hit her for 546. The math doesn’t add up. The Marjana was Talent+7 with +23% attack troops + the natural 20% raid buff. Her attack stat was ~998
Seems like 546 is a heckuva hit against 1880 defense stat
That is really strange and definitely your Alice shouldn’t have taken that much damage. According to damage calculation formula, the following are the damage that Alice should have taken with different combos.
Both Vivica and Kadilen buff
Damage = 100×((699×1.23×1.2×4.58)÷(714×1.2×1.63×1.74))^1.35 = 245
Only Kadilen buff
Damage = 100×((699×1.23×1.2×4.58)÷(714×1.2×1.74))^1.35 = 474
Only Vivica buff
Damage = 100×((699×1.23×1.2×4.58)÷(714×1.2×1.63))^1.35 = 518
With no defense buffs
Damage = 100×((699×1.23×1.2×4.58)÷(714×1.2))^1.35 = 1002
So what you reported seems closest to the one with only Vivica buff. Definitely something is off.
I’m giving Kadilen a set of tonics over my 2nd Lianna. She’s great imo since her last buff.
I like Kadilen too. She is a very solid support hero. I am currently giving Alberich my druids emblems, when he gets +7 I will stop with him and start embleming Kadilen
Sorry, but the math just doesn’t add up here.
Latest raid: an un-buffed Magni hits my Kadilen (with her +74% buff up) for 636hp
Stats on cards:
Enemy’s Magni: 823 ATK, +23% ATK troops, ?+20% inherent Raid defense boost?
My Kadilen: 802 DEF, +17% DEF troops, +74% defense against special skills
I can’t crunch the numbers in any way to come up with how he hit her for 636hp
running it through the aforementioned damage calculation formula would yield a 466hp hit (in which case I would deem an acceptable hit with a +74% buff active and say that Kadilen works and is not broken)
I am reading some pretty detailed posts about there being a random coefficient of 0.5-1.5 being applied to the attack/defense ratio (■■■■ RNG strikes again) and that it follows a Gaussian law with an average out over time of 0%…meaning you’ll get some good and some bad and overall it will average out in the end. This could account for the random huge hits and the sometimes seemingly totally understandable/acceptable hits in the 300-400 range.
I think that could possibly why this is happening, which is pretty broken I would say, that variation is just way too much.
I think that is mentioned in the damage calculation thread, but I personally haven’t seen variations nearly that high except maybe with low-damage tiles. Certainly I’ve never seen Lianna’s arrows hit for 500 HP one turn and 1500 HP the next.
I suspect that there are factors in the damage formula that either aren’t right or we’re not accounting for yet, particularly surrounding how multiple similar buffs stack like in this thread…
They did somethin about kadilen
They gave us zeline
That’s how this game flows
Players complain about certain heroes, SG adds the option of buying an improvement
Seshat > domitia/thoth-amun
Frida > thorne
Gm > marjana
Zeline > horghall/kadilen
Drake > justice
And I’m sure the list could go on and on and you’ll find complaints about every hero on the right side of that list in this forum as being underpowered and a few on the left being overpowered. Just part of the business model. Put out a few inferior products to set the bar low for purchasable improvements.
Emblems can be a good distraction for making players think tc20 heroes are now improved into same competitive levels as paywall heroes, but a distraction is truly all it is. I have emblemed a few tc20 heroes but in the back of my mind i know each one will most likely be reset by 2021
And I’ve got Thoth, Marjana, Kadilen, Domitia, Quintus, & Thorne. Lol.
Marjana is the only one i would max in that list
I did consider domitia for a long time but then snagged kage and sesh. Before that i worked sonya/caed into lineups i needed a dispeller in and i dont mono so lived without domitia and glad i did because sesh and kage are much better tabbard and resource investments
Marjana is still unique as she is the only red 5* sniper so has yet to be replaced unless you’ve been lucky enough to pull a gm or 2
Actually Kadilen hit stronger then Zeline and Zimkitha which are the most similar heroes.
Arguabily her skill is less useful of the other two, but always remember she is just a regular hero.
Honestly, she is a very good defensive hero. Yes, defensive and not for attack.
When i face her i don’t want to let her shoot, as her damage is quite something and her skill at least annoying.
I have her in my defence and she is crazy good, i can swear.
She is not meant to take with you in attack, that’s true.
I may be wrong, but from my understanding the damage calculation formula only gives a premise of the damage ( approx) and not the exact.
I’d bring her with Wilbur, or Kunchen, or Isarnia, etc… even Evelyn… but not without a defense down or elemental down… that’s how I use Quintus in wars. He, Wilbur, and Zimkitha are best buds