Why is Guin a Wizard?

Several reasons
Every class quest should have access to a healer so someone needs to bite the bullet

And guin is one of the few healers w an offensive component to take advantage of the special damage.

Also she’s already powerful and doesn’t need the best class trait

@Fra - Gold man, pure gold

She doesn’t have any offensive damage at all…

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She does a basic slash attack/tile damage.

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Does her mana drain not trigger the buff damage because as the ability is worded it doesn’t specify the special needs damage.

Come on Kerridoc lol. That’s some high level stuff.

So does Prisca. Let’s make her a wizard too!

I’ll rephrase: “Her special does not do any offensive damage”.

We could also complain about Zeline being a Wizard, because she dispels the very buffs she can benefit from. Fortunately her attack hits before the dispel.

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I don’t have a problem with the term Wizard. The problem is that the Jinx buff increases damage dealt. Zeline benefits from that. Guinevere does not do damage with her special ability.

Look I’m not a Guinevere apologist, I just think it’s a lazy way of trying to nerf her. If you want to nerf her just do it.

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I think this is a very subtle way of reducing guin’s domination at tank over time.

SG probably couldn’t afford to nerf her abilities considering the amount some have spent chasing her, and they have instead chosen to introduce a new overlay of abilities which advantages her slightly less than others.

The bigger concern is whether these new abilities advantage other heroes too much (I’m looking at you, Gravemaker) considering GM’s place in the meta is just as dominant as Guinevere, if not more so

Either way, it is a subtle adjustment to Guinevere’s domination, which is probably a good thing for interest in the game at highest levels being maintained

I think that the class was thought more on what the hero does (special) than what appearence they have

They won’t outright nerf her again. Just too much money spent on her and business sense says “don’t pisc off the whales”

We’ll see how it goes, i have a feeling we’ll still see adjustments post release, I’ve never seen any features make it out of beta and not be further tweaked afterwards. Alliance wars, season 2, both still bein messed with lol(AW is almost a year old full release, over a year old if you count time in Beta)

It’s just the way things are done in E&P. Rush thru beta, release worldwide, deal with issues as they come up(class update already on hold, barely made it 24 hours, prime example :joy: )

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They should just let her be cleric or paladin

As stated before she is fine where she is in order to balance class quests some healers needed to bite the bullet she is one of them.
It’s appropriate as she’s the most overused high level healer/tank.
Kiril is also one of the most overused 4* healers and he had to bite the bullet too.

Guin doesn’t need anymore help w a strong talent.

That’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to disagree.

I think its dumb to put her in a class where she gets zero benefit. I also disagree that every class needs a healer or nuker etc…that shoudlnt be the point of classes IMO. Kashrek as a wizard with Sartana, Hel, etc is also, if not more ridiculous as stated above. Theres no need to ram a square peg in a round hole “just because the class needs a healer”. Kashrek goes from trash to super ultra trash now.

Anyhoo. Disagreement is healthy.

People before complaining about her been to powerful.
Now that something has be done in that sense you complain about it.

I don’t want to be polemic but… what you suggest to do about her?
Which class you rather put her?

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There are currently no healers in Barbarian, Ranger or Rogue. And Ares and Aegir are pretty weak healing in Paladin. So that can’t be it. It genuinely looks like just an attempt to relatively weaken her.

Interestingly, Rigard, who is a very popular 4* healer, got a huge lift by being put in Cleric.

On the stealth weakening side: I wouldn’t exactly say making Boldtusk a Fighter was a huge benefit either. But at least if he rezes with full mana he can heal himself…

Ares is a stronger healer then guin. Most classes are paired with another class with healers for quests. There was a lot of balancing of hero’s to which class on beta so that common hero’s and healers are proportionally mixed to complete these quests.

The only quest that has no healer is barb/rogue and that won’t be for long. Clerics isn’t even that great especially for 4* hero’s where mana manipulation isn’t that common. For instance alby as a Druid is likely better then north as a cleric since it makes alby much more durable.

I’m also not saying guin wasn’t given a strong talent becuase she was already to strong. Guin (or any healer) as a rogue would be incredibly strong.

because the thing has eggs, GVM is already completely decompensated, decompensating it more. And since there are few, (from 2500 cups there are millions, from 2 in 2 and up to 3), it is not a problem, anyway. By the way, I almost always shoot with GVM, with Geneva not once (if this GVM is not), I always die before shooting.

@Sanchezsam2 Trials of Serenity, Paladin/Ranger, gets Ares and Aegir, 2 HOTM. Both are heal 3.

Trials of Justice, Paladin/Monk, gets Ares, Aegir, Tarlak, Aeron, and Friar Tuck. 4 HOTM and a 3* who heals nearest 3 isn’t really super balanced either.

Trials of Strength, Barbarian/Fighter, gets Boldtusk and Delilah. A HOTM and the weakest heal of the 4* healers.

Barbarian/Rogue, as you pointed out, has none.

Meanwhile, Trials of Fortune, Cleric/Druid, has MN, Vivica, Rigard, Hawkmoon, Alby, Gadeirus and Melendor.

So again, I find the argument that putting Kiril and Guin in Sorcerer is balancing for class quests is somewhat unpersuasive. Wizard could easily have been one of the classes with no healers. It’s buffs aren’t well suited to them. Putting them in Sorcerer and rearranging pairings wouldn’t have been hard.

Um. Little John, Like Xiu, Chao, Hansel, Grettel, Cabin Boy Peters, Proteus, Merlin. Negative mana effects and specials prevention seem pretty prevalent at 4*. Unless I’m misunderstanding something?

It seems pretty huge for Rigard. And MN is even nastier, because it makes it hard to stop her heals, minions and Rez.

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Your misunderstanding yes core hero’s are spread out and hotm/event hero’s are spread out especially considering you are discussing an event hero and then trying to use core hero’s as an excuse really feels deaf.
There Are 2 core healer and a single event healer which only heals 3 as well in wizards.

Ares I used extensively and his heals are extremely useful. Aegir as well especially considering a lot of people were aided by consumables as well. I’ve used boldtusk as a solo healer plenty of times through multiple events he’s fine. You really are trying to spin an event hero into a stronger class.

Negative mana effects are on 4* hero’s however it’s mostly on rare event hero’s most of which aren’t common. Out of the 3 core hero’s u mentioned chao/li xui are the only common hero’s used. For something that only works 30% of the time it’s not a common effect. Unlike something like a rogue which prevents all special damage which is much more common.

Guin is fine as a wizard as is kiril. There were several other healers moved away from wizards for balance reasons. The hero/class balance is actually pretty good the way core and event hero’s are spread out as healers.

Not at all true for healers. 2 are Druid. 3 are Cleric. 1 is Fighter. 1 (a 3* heal-3) is Monk. 1 is Sorcerer, and 1 is Wizard. That not well distributed at all. I hear what you’re trying to say. It just doesn’t agree with what they actually did.

And adding in event healers doesn’t even things out much. Look at the class quests I listed again. One has 7 healers, one has 2 HOTM healers and no core, one has 1 3* healer, and one has no healers. How can you describe that as: “The hero/class balance is actually pretty good the way core and event hero’s are spread out as healers?”

You’re misunderstand me. I’m not trying to spin an event hero into a stronger class. I’m saying that most people don’t have one, so using them for “balance” is not very useful. 100% of the people in 7DD get helped by this. For the mid-game alliances? Not so much…

Little John, Chao, and Li Xiu are all very common through Platinum. Proteus is an Atlantis hero, and so also very common. The only event heroes are Hansel, Grettel, and Merlin. And they’re all so useful that if people have them, they field them. So saying Mana control is “mostly on rare event heroes” just isn’t accurate.

Also, 30% of the time is HUGE. That’s Alby’s rez percentage, give or take a few points. That’s the blinded miss percentage, give or take a few points.

It makes MN and Rigard super hard to stop on defense, since your Mana cut specials will fail to halt them about 1 time in 3.

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