Why I'm leaving Empires & Puzzles


Imma try to keep this short - forgive if it seems abrupt, it’s not intended that way.

  1. Individual to each person’s perception & circumstances.

  2. 1* up to 9* in this alliance. My boards have drastically changed over the last few months, noticeable while playing and documentable when reviewing screen recordings taken of all battles.

  3. Hard to prove but the perception among a great many is that it has changed.

  4. Not individual screen shots, live recording from start to finish. Video can be reviewed to see each state before and after a move, as well as to see each combo a frame at a time.

I disagree that it takes millions of data points to get an accurate representation - patterns show themselves early on and merely refine as time passes. Plus the fact that the vast majority are complaining about titan boards with nearly no one indicating the other boards.

Thanks for the response :smiley:


Reminder of OP ^ :slight_smile:


I’m done spending. I dropped over $300 (probably closer to $400) on the last event (yes, I’m either stubborn, stupid or both). I got a ton of Lancelots and a few Merlins, but no event 5*s and no HOTM. I’m going to continue to level the heros that I have and kill titans with my clan, but I’m done giving this game my money.


I’ll keep spending surplus money here but my spending were cutted to half by 2 events:
before it costed me like 1L of beer/month but with the reduction from 10 to 5 stack of x250 discounted gems on events it goes to 0,5L/month :slight_smile:

But hey, they added another army pack during events! :rofl:


Called me to the mat! You’re absolutely right @Rook!

As an update, I have 2 alliance members I have talked into waiting for the update before deciding to leave. One voiced the same things that are so prevalent in the forum, the other cited his complete lack of ascension items the entire time he’s been in my alliance.
I have several others who have voiced extreme displeasure and a desire to quit.
Others have PM’d me to ask how to deal with it.



I’ve seen Season 2.

My reaction is tempered by who I am (relentlessly cheerful) and how I spend (not that much).

I don’t think any “future improvement” is intended to save a game; not Alliance Wars, and not Season 2…they are ongoing progression/ improvements to the game, and I view them as such.

And since my spending shan’t be changing, I don’t think I get to voice any more opinion in this thread (unless y’all get naughty). :grin:


Wow - maybe I should go back to solo. I’m playing with an alliance that I love. They are all respectful, and there’s virtually zero profanity. But I have been watching for a series of high level ascension items and I am waiting to level up all 5 of my 5* heroes. Those dang fine gloves just aren’t showing up.


yes I have to. get up the TOP my nerws. YES YES YES YES YOU right Paying milk cow
I’ve been playing for a year. In the Polish version. to confirm the observation of strange phenomena and rumors, I created 2 accounts.
I pay on one and it’s not a little different but about a few hundred US $ per month. And sporadic promotions on the other account.
My observation is: The system catches paying players and denies them the right to random luck. Whether from the draw of the heroes, from the titan or from the chest, something worth more like 4 * things to improve can not be won.
And about the draw x10 or single is 3 * the hero this standard can even repeat 3x in this draw.
For the last ewent I bought and used 20,000 DIX (20 thousand diamonds) the result of 3x draws Sier Lance Lot and 1x5 * and 5x4 * zero special characters or the hero of the month! Is not that embarrassing? There has never been a situation like this before.
Smellness of the operator of this game is already undergoing human understanding, so I will not be able to milk myself anymore and I play as the second account there, at least I have fewer heroes, but as I draw the odds are consistent with the probability calculus.


After reading your article my alliance leader and I had an in depth discussion about each of your points and others that have posted their concerns and can only agree. He has been playing for about a year and a half now and is to the point of asking himself why should I continue. I have been playing for almost a year and am at the same point. We have noticed that the 10x summons is a joke, you either get all 3* heros or a few 3* heros and maybe a four star if your lucky. During the last event I waited until the second day to do the elemental draws for a chance at an event hero and got bane and dawa, used a hero token and got a second dawa…really?

Raids are ridicolous, how is it that a team power of 2900 can wipe out my team of 3500? How can a 3* hero almost single handedly take down a four star maxed out hero?

Titans - how many purple dragons are we going to get in a row? how many bad boards are we going to get where my best score is between 4k and 9k when I usually am hitting from 14k to 20k each turn?

Agreeing with you that if much does not change here soon I am putting the game down, and I am not a big spender.


I’m not as long playing as you guys but i’ve noticed the board being ‘rigged’ not just in titan games, but in raids too. I’m finding that too often (as in not randomly enough) the board is often setup with the same coloured tiles against the enemy players, meaning that you can’t do enough damage to the enemy (as playing red against red for example results in practically no damage) but as a result they get a MASSIVE mana boost, often building up enough for 2 attacks before you can build up enough for one - that,s if your characters haven’t already been killed by then. It’s obviously rigged against you.


Please read a thread like this before jumping to conclusions



I don’t know, friend. I raid a ton and usually stack strong colors against the tank. Sometimes I get a bunch of that color, sometimes not. I win my fair share though, and I would estimate my win percentage at around 80%. No doubt it is frustrating when you use a color stack only to get two or three on the board, but it doesn’t seem reasonable to me that there would be any benefit to SG, or whomever, to sabotage people’s raids by writing some malevolent code to make players lose their raids. Like everything else in this game, it’s RNG. Maybe reading thru the forum specifically looking for posts concerning raid strategy would be helpful to you. Good Luck :wink:


Wait, what?!

Sorry, that post just seems like legal speak to confuse the issue ‘the attacker has the advantage’.

Er, no.

The attacker is using the game, the attacker has ZERO advantage over a game that is running the board! Who wrote that?!

This game basically runs like a casino, they always manage to make the odds look like they’re in your favour, but they’re not. ever heard the phrase “The house always wins”?


Who is ‘the house’? The defending player?

If the defenders have the advantage, why do we win more on offence?


I want to thank everyone for keeping this thread clean and civil!

Let me remind tho that this is a place for ppl to voice the reasons they are considering leaving the game. Let’s please not let it degrade into bickering or debate.

*places a satchel of fake gems where @Rook normally sits - waits, snickering quietly, for the inevitable failed purchase :slight_smile: *


May be “we” won’t waste money for getting and ascending perfect defence team?


But you’re NOT playing against the other player, you can’t raid against them while they’re online. Why can there not be an option to play against someone in real time? Because then the game would not have any control and the outcome cannot be fixed. I’m 100% sure that the outcome of every raid game has been decided by the game before you start, the layout of the tiles on the board are ALWAYS lined up to give you a limited number of playable moves and often they only give you the colours that match the enemy’s player that you will hit, so you can’t do enough damage to stop them building up mana to attack you instead. The enly way you win is if the game’s program lets you, by giving you enough triples as it refills the board, the idea that you have an influence on the outcome is an illusion.

Try this for an experiment, get to a point in a raid where it’s CLEAR you are going to win, like the enemy team only having 1 player left, and TRY to lose. See how impossible it is.


I wrote that, based on nearly a year of experience playing this game, and raiding in all tiers up to and including diamond. Take it, learn from it, and start winning more raids.

Or don’t. Up to you. Your trophy count doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

The information is there for people who want to learn. It won’t benefit people who would rather whine.


The boards are totally random. You are imagining things.

(I know, I’m off topic - but this sort of silliness can’t just be ignored.)


If you are losing more than winning with all advantages you have attacking you’re doing it awfully wrong. Stop crying and try to learn. My 8 years old daughter can raid in gold and sometimes in platinum. I’m sure you can if you read @NPNKY post.