I agree.
That is why I do not sweat the exact damage and deal with more general rules of thumb ( see notes )
Notes
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I agree.
That is why I do not sweat the exact damage and deal with more general rules of thumb ( see notes )
FIN
Makes some sense, but since Evelynās defense down is -54% and Buddyās is only -34%, that could change things. And as Jonah pointed out it contradicts the numbers that Expired published. Iāll do some of my own testing and see what I come up with. Also I have Eve at 3/70 and Buddy at 4/70/19 so that could be my biggest reason to fire Eve first.
Came here for the discussion - which was quite good, and I will continue to follow - but my takeaway is that we need to immediately rename the Trial of Strength to the Trial of Smash It. Make it so, SGG!
You are correct. I should have checked my own math. Eve first would give you a 587 (x3) bonus vs Buddy first at 518 (x3).
Hi, I have a question regarding which order I should fire off my hero specials to maximize damage. For my red stack, I usually use Boldtusk, Guardian Falcon, Gormek, and Scarlett. After using Boldtuskās special to give attack up, should I attack with Guardian Falcon first or Gormek? Guardian Falcon does 225% dmg with 552 attack and gives -54% defense against fire. Gormek does 295% damage with 569 attack and gives -34% defense. I understand that elemental defense down stacks with normal defense down, but Iām not sure how to approach the math to calculate which order would lead to more dmg. Thanks
@B1gHeadAss, Iāve shifted your post into a pre-existing thread asking the same question. Have a read up further in terms of the suggested order to fire.
As a secondary thing, see below explanation of HOW the two debuffs stack
I think specials arenāt tied to an element, except in special cases like Vela, so Iād guess Gormek before Falcon is the best order.
Are you sure about that? When I fight Kashhrek with red heroās and Kasshrekās special goes off, all my red heroās specials do way less damage
Elemental defense reduction does improve specials.
Example: When I hit with Frida + Grimm + Magniā¦
I canāt find it, but some time back, I did some experimenting with the order of Frida & Grimm and determined that Frida going first was always better. But since my memory is fuzzy and I canāt seem to find if I posted about it anywhere, you have to decide whether to take my word for it or not. Better yetā¦ someone do some empirical testing!
EDIT: Found itā¦ not tested, just math!
Good gaming!
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I had read it the other way, but I never tested it. Now, if I just had Falcon, Freida, Evelyn, Panther, or Arthurā¦
Iām wondering what hero stat you put first, elemental or defense down (assuming both trigger at the same time)?
When fighting against titans or even raids if you had two heroes (letās says for Nature: Buddy- defense down, and Evelyn/Almur- green defense down), who would you have attack first?
I usually have defense down then elemental down afterwards but I wonder if one have them does greater damage or give a greater advantage when going first?
Let me know if you take anything else in factor like damage dealt (Evelyn does greater damage so she should go after defense down) or other stats (like Evelynās dispel so she goes first)
Iāve been wondering this for a long time and just never knew which is best or if anyone ever did analysis on it so figured Iād ask
Iād do your elemental down first, with one exception being Wilbur before Falcon.
I start Buddy before Evelyn, Wilbur before Falcon, costume Viv before Jackal, CC before panther but Frida before Athena
Iām with @Starless. Most my elemental down are higher than the standard debuff so I fire them first. In battles I fire Wilbur first but against titans itās falcon. And Iām coming from a titan point of view. It may be situational in other cases. If thereās a dispel involved or something like thatā¦
I think elemental defense down first will do more overall damage if both heroes do damage. I havenāt done the calculation however. The comparison would be:
Buddyās 205% dmg at 531 attack (unemblemed) to 3 targets with -54% defense down
vs
Evelynās 210% dmg at 727 attack (unemblemed) to 3 targets with -34% defense down
Also who is CC? Costume Tibertus?
Ceshire Cat, 20 cat character
I donāt think that thereās much of a difference.
On titans?
100% this - itās all about the tiles, a couple of hundred damage difference from special skills is nothing when your tiles are hitting 5k+ each.
On raids/etc?
Really depends on the heroes in question - generally Iād fire the one that does less direct damage first.
I think there was a calculation done for Gormek and G.Falcon. In the case of these 2, G.Falcon firing first then Gormek deals more dmg.
@Warrior21, @Starless, @Rosco1011, @masterslamhole, @B1gHeadAss, @Olmor, @BubblesUK
Shifted this thread to a pre-existing one asking the same question. General consensus is to fire the one with the bigger defence debuff first.
Realistically it depends largely on the specific heroes you are using as the total damage done depends not only on the debuffs in place but the strength of the two strikes & the attack stat of the two heroes.
An older thread exists which explains HOW the two defence debuffs stack with an awesome explanation by @Kerridoc (Quoted above):