What exactly is a Gacha? (Read before posting things about "unfair pulls")

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@KLinMayhem
We will miss you, but I also had trouble putting down Empires ( the non Gacha mechanics are fun ) until I remembered the concept of loot box unit pricing and ran the numbers. $20k+ USD for 99 out of 100 players to get Lianna made me rethink Empires business model of 5* HotM and P2P micro transactions.

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Unit pricing

( [Math, Transparency] Lootbox unit pricing explained )

And it will only get worse, at least until the Zynga buy out is complete and the bonuses paid.

(🧪 Early Information on Tavern of Legends Event [Part of The Beta Beat v29])

FIN

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With a much anticipated AR and new hotm, it seems worthwhile to bring back to the top.

Make your pulls but know your limits.

20bestwishes4goodpulls

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Casino style merciless RNG

Low odd, merciless RNG without mercy timers work this way

Like a casino, Zynga/ SGG do not need to rig the results.

If 100 players run 2x Legendary training ( RT20 ), after 8.4 years, the 100th player will have ZERO copies of green 5* Lianna but roughly 306x Classic 5* heroes.

Since there are only 15x Classic 5* heroes they can have, the 100th player will average 20x copies EACH of Horghall, Quintus, Vivica, Elena, Isarnia, Justice, etc.

Atlantis summons, and Legends summons ( new type coming soon ) will give you even worse odds for completing a full set and players will get even more duplicates.

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Legendary training

Legends summons

(For all the players who don’t own Gravemaker)

FIN

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Stop paying your hard earned. Money to a billionaire who does not care about you as player and just care about the bank account. Honestly look at your heroes draws and what chances you have to get legendre heroes. Even with the ascending material, prizes on Titans and War etc… Some people enjoy and get addicted to the game and start spending regardless of the food on their table. Some lost their homes etc… One should play for the fun of it and if and should the purchase price be affordable, yes enjoy.
My opinion is that Empires and Puzzles are just about the bank account.

Please review your purchase price and the compensation when purchasing. It’s not about your bank account, but the players joining and playing the game.

Not a happy Empire and Puzzles player :100:

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Stop paying your hard earned. Money to a billionaire who does not care about you as player and just care about the bank account. Honestly look at your heroes draws and what chances you have to get legendre heroes. Even with the ascending material, prizes on Titans and War etc… Some people enjoy and get addicted to the game and start spending regardless of the food on their table. Some lost their homes etc… One should play for the fun of it and if and should the purchase price be affordable, yes enjoy.
My opinion is that Empires and Puzzles are just about the bank account.

Please review your purchase price and the compensation when purchasing. It’s not about your bank account, but the players joining and playing the game.

Not a happy Empire and Puzzles player :100:

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Reviewing the original post after a long time. It’s still good.

I appreciate the levelheadedness of its advice and advise everyone to read it once. :wink::+1:

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Agreed, although I note that the random chances ARE now displayed if you look carefully. You also need to know that ‘at least 2’ means 2, rarely 3 … zero chance of 4 or more. Weasel wording …

I am bound to stop playing… so much money but nothing in return.

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My preferences on this is … Pulling Grimble after just one Free coin pull and not getting Gravemaker after 150$ worth of pulls.
They succeeded to keep me frustrated enough to keep playing if that makes any sense.

What a highly useful post. I just wish there was something put in place like a cool off period where I can select an option to no spend for a week, a month, even a year… I’m one who’s suffering spending money he hasn’t got and I’m hooked trapped wasting money

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I would recommend to delete saved credit card data in your phone.

That way at least you have to spend time putting it back again and make a conscious decision about spending, maybe remember the reason you deleted the data in the first place.

You can also change to a pre load card with a limited amount of cash given every month

You mean change bank card for just an account that has no money in or very little?

Yes, for example every month you get 20 bucks on your card and you cannot spend more than is actual available on this card.
I don’t know the native english wording since it is not my mother language

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Thank you for this post. excelent

I’ve just counted how much I spent on this game in a year. I’m nowhere near a whale level but I could buy a good all inclusive trip to the other hemisphere or a PC that could run Cyperpunk 2077 smoothly if I saved that money instead.
I have great heroes (and not enough mats to max them, of course) but I don’t know if it was worth it.
I’m switching to f2p, no matter the PoV, ninjas and whatever more the game will come up with to grab cash.

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You may want to check out this thread

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Thank you so much for all the time spent writing this. As a new player, this is great insight to have. Thank you again :slight_smile:

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Most good gacha games have a pity system. Ill explain. For example after you do 5x a 10x pull you are guaranteed a 5* . might not be the hero u want but you get something. I find it hard to believe small giant hasnt implemented a pity system yet. I think it would greatly improve the game. Also there should really be a way to get gems besides buying them. If you’re having to save up from gameplay it will take many months if not over a year to acquire 3000 gems for a 10x pull. I play a few other gacha games and all have a pity system and its much easier to get the currency for pulls. I do spend a little on the games and thats the players choice. But usually paying money just speeds up the process, with E&P you can play as much as u want, but if you’re not spending there will be things you can never do or get.

bump

For those who have asked for it. :slight_smile:

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