# What exactly is a Gacha? (Read before posting things about "unfair pulls")

So you laugh at anyone who does a 10x then?

11 days no posting. Can we finally unpin this post so more interesting topics can be shown on the main screen? @Rook

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Can it be unpinned so other items can be visible?

Never mind. I think it was. Thanks.

With today’s release of Version 15, we finally know the odds of pulling goodies out of any random pack. Kudos to SGG for this increased transparency.

From this info, we can do some calculations:

Odds of at least one 5* from a 10x pull:

• Elemental: 22.4% + 12.3% for HotM
• Epic: 14.0% + 12.3% for HotM

If you do 53 pulls, the odds of having NOT drawn the HotM are 50%.

If you buy all 5 Ascension Packs, your odds of getting at least one of the 4* items (e.g. telescope) are 17%, I.e, it’s 83% likely that you will not get the telescope.

At least we know. Does that make these deals “not gatcha”?

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Correct me if I’m wrong but you’re stacking the chance together. Have they said the odds increase with each roll? I would have thought that each roll was independent of the other? Just because one roll doesn’t land you a HOTM etc. doesn’t mean you have more chance on the next roll…

Im not stacking the odds. I am calculating the odds of n independent failures.

For example, the HotM calculation is (100% - 1.3%)^10 = 87.7% odds of 10 consecutive failure to draw the HotM. Hence there is a 1-87.7% = 12.3% chance of drawing at least one HotM in 10 draws.

Yeah I get what you’re saying but each roll has 1.3% chance of getting HOTM each pull. The odds don’t change whether you pull 100 times or 1 time, each roll is independent of the next :p. It doesn’t mean that you have 10% at 10 rolls. Each time you summon, the chance is the same and doesn’t increase. That’s all I’m trying to say haha

Yeah, but you flip a coin, its always 1/2 chances of getting heads, but there is a bigger chance to get heads if you flip it 6 times.

This is incredibly useful info … kudos to them for posting

The odds are much lower than I had expected.

With a set of …

1 x10 pull —> 12.27% of HoTM
2 x10 pull —> 23.03% of HoTM
3 x10 pull —> 32.47% of HoTM
4 x10 pull —> 40.75% of HoTM
5 x10 pull —> 48.02% of HoTM

And…

You can consider 100 pulls and you still have about of 27% to fail getting a HoTM.

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Yes, but on the bright side with 100 pulls there’s a 2.48e-187% to pull 100 HotM!!!1!

EDIT: good luck with the mats in that case

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Very good advice, thank you, this is very helpful, I am new to Gacha and it’s concept , made a couple of pulls too, I just hope small giant will listen to the calls for increasing the percentage of pulls for 4/5 stars, even if if it is after 2 or more pulls.

Hello… i am new here … So i hope i post where i should.
I spend a lot of my time here and spend a lots of money, but still no 5* hero for me. I know players who played for 6-7 weeks and get 1-2 5heroes… isn’t fair! I have a friend who have the train at lvl 13 … made 5 pulls there and got 2 4heroes… i’ve made over 20pulls but no4*…
What’s wrong with this game?!? Isn’t possible…
And btw the rewards are like crap… at titan… I scored A and no good rewards but not just once… it’s a habit…and other players scored B and got ascensions items!!
Please make something with my account… I spend a lots of money I want to have some 5* like the others. Please make something with this!!!
Thanks a lot , SyrqL!

This game is a long term grind, very difficult to short-circuit. Even if you spend tonnes of cash, you’ll likely end up with a roster of unleveled heroes

Getting 5* is pointless if you have no ascension items.

In my opinion, to enjoy the game, control your spending, get in a good alliance, grind out a decent base, hit high level Titans regularly and get involved with the community.

You can buy lots of gems, but you can’t buy enjoyment, that comes from appreciating hard-won success and shared experiences.

It’s a cliché, but this game is a journey, not a destination.

If that’s not what you signed up for, cut your losses and try something else.

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Hmmm i have ascension iteme… But for color that i do not have:) … give me that 5* hero And i will ascend him when i can…But i fell isn’t Fair… How a B At Titan it’s better than A … Or How one friend get 2 heroes of 4*/5 draw At train lvl 13 And me 0 heros From 20… Or… How they have 2-3 5* And me No 5*… isn’t Fair… i like this game… But i am felling like i am cheated… please make something about that … i Told ya… i’ve spend a lots of money… isn’t Fair for You…
Thanks a lot!

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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. I think the Elemental portals to be very fair. I have spent a fair amount of money and sometimes I get exactly what I wanted. But on the other hand sometimes I don’t, those Heroes are also put to good use I have been very happy with what I got and with the game

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I played legendary game of heros and spent 1000s of dollars on that game… Had a good team for 3 weeks and it was useless afterwards… This game holds it’s value soooooo much more. But, at least legendary actually announced their pull off on packs. Devs should be able to stand behind their product by insuring players that no funny business is going on. Being secretive only shows players that the devs are hiding things for a reason.

Legendary introduced a “luck” system for whales that tricked new players into thinking they’d have better luck getting the heros they wanted. But really it was for the players spending 1000s of dollars and getting screwed over never getting the Ultra Rare heros they needed to get to stay on top of leaderboards. They catered to the top guilds and it effected everyone else in negative ways making the game break and unfair/fun to everyone else.

They way empires and puzzles has the game set up is extremely particular and very much on purpose. Slight changes does huge things to the game and causes people to quit destroying the game entirely.

Post drop rates for levels and summons… That alone doesn’t do anything but better inform players of what they are buying… If the odds are fair people will pay, if they aren’t people will still pay…

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Have read this a couple of times and not quite sure what point you’re trying to make…? Can you elaborate? Are you saying it will ruin the game now that they have published the odds?