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Krampus’ nerf was not needed at all because Krampus was not the problem (maybe a bit strong but nearly not enough). That was Pengi. Few days after the nerf there are still X-mas defenses running rampant, just with regular Krampus or Bera/Freya/Motega summoners.
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Actually none of the christmas heroes are the problem. Most common denominator is xeno and/or ludwig in top 100 defense
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I agree the nerf was unnecessary.
Especially with continuation of creep portals.
They would have been nerfed naturally.
I also agree there are lazy players who can’t sort through their rosters. To what degree that portion is… I would like to think is a minority number. But who knows…
However…
as @Homaclese rightly noted: There is a substantially low number of anti-minion niche heroes, to the tune of 1% of all heroes.
So while @Mr.Spock is seeing terrible attempts in his WT, it also very easy to assume that a significantly small portion of the population has a roster equivalent to his!
When your best option is Gobbler. And you still need 2 dispellers for C.Krampus because you lack singular options. Big surprise when they still lose. Then the argument goes full circle back to…
"why does everyone expect to win"
And regular E&Peeps need to lower their expectations against these heavily subsidized rosters.
Also, Spock noted the saturation levels were not so high. And that is true,
This "correction" happened very rapidly.
And did not dilly dally like with Velluria.
One month…!
And they picked up the Nerf Bazooka
So you have to know… the saturation was just getting started!
Which makes me wonder if they won’t dial-back this balance soon. Kinda of reverse to the multiple nerfs of 2020.
One big drop, and slight buffs to fine tune the balance would be something easier to digest.
Who knows… too many variables.
Definitely avoidable.
Maybe not over with.
And certainly not the end of the world for a Krampus owners. It’s still a powerhouse without the costume. Congrats on the pull!
If you already owned the card and spent further for the costume? I would question that spending habit… seriously
Not only are you paying for balance,
But in this case,
You paid for unnecessary balance!
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Poor attempts weren’t judged by perceived roster health. Poor attempts were judged by forfeiting any color advantage and just hail mary teams with no synergy to the defense they’re attempting to beat. We all work with what we have but some people just get lazy with team building yet still feel entitled to win. That’s a large part of the issue in my opinion.
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I also see horrible compositions.
I think if you see multiple level 30 troops on a mono team, you’ll likely see thought put into the team.
If there is one, or none… troop at level 23
And they’re raiding mono.
Maybe they don’t have the roster to compete against your meta. So they put their mono team up. Which can be a Hail Mary in and of itself.
I really don’t know how to tell that the player has a weak bench by judging their attack team.
So what percentage of the population do you believe are just wealthy and lazy?
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Exactly. The unfortunate part of this synergy is CKrampus was an innocent casualty that won’t be corrected. They will eventually dial Mr. Pengi back bc I believe he will have even stronger synergies with other heroes. Players are starting to get more creative with him since the latest nerf.
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Hate to see people complaining about Penguin when Ludwig is charging MN and Alfrike or Krampus in 2 turns. Hate to see C. Krampus destroyed when adjusting him to summon minions for only himself would make incredible difference. Other than that, the penguin isn’t even that frequent. You can see MN and Krampus WAY more. Same for other heroes.
Hate to see the excuse about “too many defenses with the same heroes” when literally every defense has Xnolphod and Ludwid. And had Bera for AGES until some days ago.
I can’t let go the fact that Krampus is cheaper than Event and Season heroes that can be as absurd as they want, they never get nerfed. When they do, they get minimal nerfs (Frigg and Odin 1% damage reduction). Not only that, they don’t get nerfed and get BUFFS (Circus, Villains…?!)
Telluria and Vela were overnerfed because they had a good sinergy and were too frequent. Same happens with Xnolphod and slow heroes. Same happens with Raven/Wolfs knights combed with Ludwig. No nerfs. And we can expect buffs when they’re featured again to boost sellings.
If game balance and diversity are a problem, they became a problem only now then. In any other way, these adjustments are just market and profit moves.
I’d love to have my mind changed but it’s pretty clear for me. Some heroes, specially those who are behind the biggest paywalls, are immune to nerfs. Same for older heroes, who are immune for buffs - since real balance updates arent made for ages. That breaks game balance, naturally. Sadly all fault was sent to xmas family and C. Krampus.
Add:
Oh please let’s not forget about MOREL. He was in 99,99% defenses with that absurd special skill and never was nerfed.
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I really believe the nerf was mostly to do with money. If they actually cared about game balance, they would have looked harder at Pengi, or maybe Ludwig or Xnolphod. And I don’t honestly think any of them need nerfing, nor did the Christmas heroes. And the buffs were wholly unnecessary and clearly made to entice players to chase those newer heroes while further harming actual game balance more than power creep already does.
All this has nothing to do with actual game balance at all, and anything said by SG to the contrary is lies and spin. Remember, any time they talk about “Game Economy” it is their euphemism for “emptying player’s wallets”.
So in this particular instance, it is clear that they felt Costume Krampus needed to be nerfed for “game economy”. Why? Simply put, enough whales have him that it would have significantly impacted the money spent chasing the upcoming Black Knight costume. Most with C.Krampus simply wouldn’t have felt much pressure to chase C.BK since C.Krampus is good enough/equally as good. So by nerfing C.krampus, now there will be more people chasing C.BK to replace what was lost. And that’s “good for the game’s economy”, which is to say, “empties player wallets faster”.
But it also sets up a prisoner’s dilemma (a classic scenario from game theory, worth looking it up if you don’t know what it is, as variations of this scenario are used frequently by mobile game companies to encourage spending). Specifically: Players would be better off as a whole to ALL boycott the portal when Black Knight’s costume comes up to send a CLEAR message to SG(*). But anyone who breaks ranks and pulls him will get a solid advantage. So of course, nearly all the whales are going to pull like mad hoping to be the one to get that advantage. But, when every whale gets him, the advantage is lost and he subsequently gets telluriakrampused, too.
(*) SG stands for Super Greedy, right?
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You literally do not wanna know how many players spend 1 to 2k a week just to run mono. Its the saddest stat in the game.
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I don’t like nerfs period. I’ve said it before they need to get it right the first time before they release a hero into the live game.
However, I don’t have the screen shot but Mr. Pengi one shot my fully emblemed and limit broken Ludwig at full health with the taunt activated. I had a level 30 mana troop on him as well. Here’s the stats not including the level 30 mana troop. Plus 84% defense against special skills.
Honestly it was freaking awesome! and I hope they don’t nerf Mr. Pengi, but what bothers me is that if they wanted to kill the synergy it should have been done in a different way. CKrampus was the wrong choice.
What I don’t want to see happen is nerfs across the board. A lot of people spend their hard earned money for a chance to summon a legendary hero. It sucks to finally get that hero to see them nerfed a few months later.
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Well said. I hate nerfs as well, I didn’t meant Lud or anyone should be nerfed. I mean that there are a bunch of “OP” hero and combinations outta there and it’s unfair and dumb to smash Krampus or any other hero alone and tell us it was that ONE hero fault that the game is broken…
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So Ludwig did his job and protected the rest of the team (who was already benefitting from a mad amount of mana from Ludwig’s ridiculous OP special)? Sounds balanced to me.
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I lost that match lol. Honestly I don’t really use Ludwig on offense much anymore. Maybe bc I don’t have Squid man or Alfrike. I’m having a hard time finding the right synergy for Ludwig. If I put slow heroes next to him sometimes it takes to long to fire. If I pair faster heroes next to him the match is usually over by the time he fires. I enjoy using some of my other heroes on offense more.
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Ludwig is slow. He’s dead most of the time. If he happens to fire then there’s an advantage… like every slow hero……
Krampus should have been slow.
If you don’t have Ludwig. U don’t understand he’s hyped. Also top 100 raids was all xmass not Ludwig.
But go on have them nerf more hero’s … keep it up
With out the minion from the xmass hero’s he’s dead.
Really you can’t tell me you have trouble with Ludwig. Other then rush events … put 5 tiles up him what are you doing?? Rainbow??
I’m not a rainbow player nor a weak mono gambler and don’t focus on him too much because he IS slow. I play to neutralize the fastest/biggest threat on a team. Sometimes that is Ludwig. Sometimes I kill a Ludwig only to have a reviver revive him. Sometimes a Wolfgang/Ferrant/Quenell are also there. Sometimes he’s UNDISPELLABLE when he fires. Sometimes I lose big because of the OP undispellable buffs. I’m not crying for him to be nerfed like those did to C Krampus. But it’s a fact that his special is OP, especially when undispellable.
LOLOLOLOLOL. Really? You think Krampus is basically equal to Ludwig but faster? Not sure what to say to that.
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I just find it hard to believe that there is a massive portion of the population that spends big and takes Tarlak for attack boost against Fire Titans when they have Miki. Sure there’s a few out there, but… c’mon…
Yes there is some strategy to this Match-3
But for big spenders that have CSabina + Grimble for a dark duo. And then can throw darts blindfolded at the other 3 slots.
Or Skadi and 1 or 2 other heroes,
There is a lot of… judgement for lesser rosters and this extraordinarily high amount of skill on the flip side. Where enough money will purchase the anti-niche and meta defenses are all a joke.
There is a disproportionate amount of skill required to play this match-3…
By comparison to the amount spending!
And a larger percentage of players that spend small to moderate amounts and didn’t have one of the few great counters for minions combined with one of the few great counters for cleanse and dispel combined with one of the few great counters for MN and enough damage left over to finish up.
So many of them were loading up their dodgy mono teams and praying to rngeesus.
Does this mean “Whack-A-Mole” with every new meta is a good move? Only if you want to alienate all your spenders… this rapid big nerf was crazy. I actually believed it contained typos!
At some point, people need to accept that the paywall is growing. And if they don’t expand the tiers then the middle class either need to buck-up and spend more or accept their losses as a logical consequence. Go forth and enjoy the challenge or drop down where the challenge is staying awake…
All the other scurrying about is just a distraction from E&P’s new landscape. Including F2P that never lost to a Xmas defense.
- against Krampus (C), dispeller & buff immune caster needed, but I seldom see dispeller used rather than cleanser, by emphasize survive-ability.
- players always design team with synergy for the team itself, not adopt team with synergy / strategy against the defending team.
- players also much rely to elemental tile for game winning, bcoz it would be much easier than adopting / designing a counter Krampus team. btw, has anybody display, discuss and explain the concept of this kind of counter team?
- when there is limited resources, most players would only concentrate training top tiers heroes, and other counter heroes will be left over. btw these counter (anti-minions & dispeller) heroes looks lesser than Krampus himself.
- S4 final boss encounter is good for player to train the anti-minions heroes. however, SGG discourage these heroes usage by nerfing the Winter Team, as their minions has weakened that could be easily wiped of by aoe.
- has SGG done a thoroughly test & trial on the beta Krampus C?
- with a lot of players had invested to hunt Krampus C together with Mr. Pengi, is it fair to nerf without these customers concerned? shouldnt SGG better set up a committee with Krampus C trial team before any adjustment?
in other word, ppl brought a Ferrari with Ferrari price.
1 month later the selling company tell customer : in the data, your Ferrari can run too fast, considering other road users, we replacing a Volvo for your Ferrari immediately, and it is still a car, and that is what you had paid for.
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I request everyone to not to ask for nerf. C.Krampus is nerfed and we cannot change it. Now everyone is saying Pengi was the reason and he should be nerfed. We can make best use of Mr. Pengi only if we have good minion summoners. Not everyone has Freya, bera, Motega so no more nerf please. I don’t see many Christmas hero’s defence now. People who pulled Ludwig and xnolphod are lucky and not even 30% of the players in E&P have these hero’s. #No nerf
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Yes. I think the worst combo is Pengi + Bera + Motega. Motega’s damage increase from minions, Bera’s poison and Pengi’s barrage and Frost DoT and you’re dead in couple of rounds. Add Ludwig in the mix and it’s lights out.
I am pretty sure there will be March 2022 round of buffs and nerfs, starring Penguin with nerfs and Slayers + Clash of Knights for buff.
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