Universal monthly spend limit

Had a recent post on the gacha model and it’s growth due to the ftp model and recieved some very informative feedback.

There seems to almost be this wall that appears in a lot of posts of the so called ftp players versus the “whales” or “p2w” crowd and these things easily get way out of hand. This silly argument of who deserves what versus who bought what versus u should be happy argument had been going on for almost 4 years now and it really needs to end.

If there was a universal spending limit put out into the game you literally end over 75% of this argument as skill would be huge and people who don’t spend can no longer hoard the argument over p2w as they would know that no matter what they are facing the amount any player could have spent could only have been such and such per month.

With an agreed upon number even whales have to decide when to summon, when to save for flasks for an event, when to purchases whatever deal is available for the month. This would ensure shakes ups in almost every category of the game and for the first time a whale would not be able to garuntee themselves anything after a bad set of spins and would finally have to see the game from the perspective of most of the rest of the playerbase.

If the whales feel all is well with the model that we are currently dealing with and talk about how much fun the have then they should be fine with a spending limit set globally for all accounts. This is a very fair way of allowing the whales to still have some advantages, but also force them to see how the system that is set up is wrong and creates a completely unbalanced playing environment.

Some people need to be slapped in the face pretty hard to wake them up.

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You always seem to be very against people that want to spend their money as they see fit.

If they have more than you to waste then why is that their fault?

It’s like saying people can only ever buy a car worth £10,000. Well if I want a better more expensive one why should I be stopped?

This game is what it is, I don’t require slapping to see it exactly as it is.

What good would introducing a spending limit do? Would it truly level the playing field? No it won’t. Financial Fair Play has largely failed in European Football. State owned Football teams spend as they see fit. Like it or lump it really.

What I think you should do is take all of these awesome ideas you have and find a developer and make your own game. You can make it whatever socialist paradise you want. Everyone gets 5* heroes for free, infinite food, infinite feeders. Never will anyone want for anything or have to spend a penny. I don’t even think you’d find anyone to make it. How would you pay them?

But what you will of course do is continue to post about how the “rich” are ruining it for the “poor”. Anyone that disagrees is a corporate shill or is blind to it all. I’m not, not remotely. I just choose to accept the model and not throw my life savings and mortgage money at it. If others can’t have that restraint that’s not my problem.

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How are you gonna tell people how to spend their earned money lol, I C2P but I find this thread ridiculous

A whale plays the game like everyone else can do, what changes is the “unlimited” amount of “tries”.

Playing a gacha game for free doesn’t require more skill even if it would be undoubtedly harder due to limited resources like flasks, ascension materials, emblems as so on.

As we know the entire game mode is thought for spenders but them having to invest fewer money wouldn’t lead to them being more skillful, it would just make the game harder to compete againt other whales.

To me the “You should be happy” with what you have so far argumet is :cow2: :poop:.
Of course if they doesn’t spend they have to wait the insanely long game’s time course so they should accept that.

But… a way to make players happier would be to grant QOL and balance changes.

Why would a whale want a limit on their spending?

Bit to late for an idea like that bud all this thread will do is bring in salty players that will mock you.

If there wasn’t any whales wasting there cash. games like this wouldn’t exist plus the rest.

It’s down to SG or zynga how they want the game to go so there’s no point in wasting time in ideas or what they should of done examples.

PTW, FTP, CTP ARE NOT IN FAULT.
SG wanted it like this because they know there a large number of players that will spend to the max.

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At no time was I trying to tell anyone anyone to do anything. What you are seeing is people who are admitting that if the game was the same for them as everyone else they wouldn’t play. If they couldn’t purchase themselves into and echelon they wouldn’t play. I’m glad they ate salty because their answers show that their only co corn is what they can do and bot things that would not allow them to circumvent the frustartaion fo the rest fo the playerbase. Nothing thwy say hurts my feelings and at no time did j call anyone a name or say anything derogatory to any of these players.

It makes me laugh how they assume that I am just coming up with random ideas when Instead I do various poles with players all over the playerbase and bring them to the forum.

Any thing that threatens to take away any afavantage they have they are totally against which shows how little they care about anything other than their own self worth. Any idea we have come up with effects everyone as a whole.

The thought they they might bit be ae to buy their way to the top, that they might not get the hero they want, every single frustration that the frp crowd has to deal with, they want nothing to do with, YET XO STANTLY COMPLAIN AND RUN THEIR MOUTHS THAT EVERYTHING IS FAIR.

The only hhpocrits here are the people mad that players want a chance to prove that without their wallets they are no better than anyone else here their sentiment s say nothing more.

This is truly what these people say and how they act when anyone can brings up anything to hurt their poor egos and this toxic attitudes they were brought out by a simple phrase yet im supposed to feel like we are the bad guys??? Remember these are the people paying for your game. I would rather have no game then no that people like thus are the ones in charge of it.

Thanks for your input

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I never said anything about rich ru8 ing anything that all came from you , we simply brain storm ways that would make it so every single aspect of the game isn’t rng based and this was a very nice idea shown by a really smart kid that had a whole graph he completed that has peaks valley, roi, how it would change the dynamics in the game and most importantly how it would force people to admit that the system is flawed in a manner that no one would be able to co e to the defense of SG.

If you think people aren’t trying to not only end this game just like games where u could actually win things you would be sadly mistaken, people have lost their homes and cars over this game and not being able to control their habits, kids attacking their parents vecaue they blew all their allowance and got nothing from the summons. I’m rich myself and I got that way by being an excellent business man and believing in the crew around me.

You have no idea of what I think personally and 90% of my posts involve other people than myself thiught process. I appreciate your normal you think you know everything attitude but you don’t and you dontnhave to respond to anything I post but here you are again.

So basically what you are saying is once they can no longer pocketbook bully people they now are upset that they have to deal with the game that they say is perfectly fine. Very interesting response

At one point does anyone say they have to do anything?.. the gacha model gets crucified by players daily so why is it so blasphemous that people sit down and think of ways to make it better for all?

And what I think you should do is block me and just stop responding to anything I post if it upsets you enough to try to offer me personal advice in life when you know nothing of it.

No, this must be how you perceived that but it isn’t what I wrote :man_shrugging:

Ok then help me see what you were saying cause thats what everyone reading it took from it. Feel free to enlighten us. I dont understand how such a simple conversation has illicit such hateful remarks

Guess the more important, bigger question is:

Why would SG/Zynga implement such a measure in the first place? Especially when their current model [clearly] works, as it continues to be as lucrative [for em] as it is.

It is their game, after all. Therefore, at the end of the day, it’s their decision… (not ours, unfortunately). & Personally, I could never see them choosing players over money :sweat_smile:

(Wouldn’t that be something tho?! :joy::rofl:)

So I see this thread as nothing more than an idealistic notion: hopes and wishes; shoulda, woulda, coulda… (don’t get me wrong tho; I’m a dreamer myself)

So while I’d obviously prefer if this dangerous, predatory model - that preys on those with mental illness - were revisited in such a way to make it impossible for people to spend such amounts, in the end, my preferences don’t mean :poop:. So while I commend you for having such goals yourself, I hope that you too are unfazed by the realization that this whole idea will remain as such: a dream. There’s literally a better shot at winning the lottery than this happening :sweat_smile:

Unfortunately, it’ll take finding a whole new game to acquire what you’re looking for; SG, and the E&P model, seem pretty set in stone [right about now]… I don’t see them doing a complete 180° anytime soon :woman_shrugging:

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Ok, basically what I said is:

Money spent =/= fewer skill
Money spent = easier game
Gacha = game mode ladders filled with paying players

Being happy with what you have argument = excuse not to address ways to improve the game (balance patches & QOL changes)

Now, return the favor and quote my previous message and tell me how you got that message please :man_facepalming:

Well said and yes we are dreamers. People who want to see everyone with a home, games back to skill versus cash, people who don’t want to know any persom is not having a meal each day. We are the people who care for people other than just ourselves. Whatever person that paints me as, keep using the paintbrush cause I will never change that about myself nor the people I am involved with. It is how we became successful in our own lives and will always fight for fairness for all.

Thank you for a very well thought out and appreciative response. At least we know one person here is like us and we commend you fully for that :slight_smile:

I have found another game going on almost 2 years now and love every minute of it, and it was with our research after leaving that we have seen many games not take the method of SG and ensure that everyone has a chance to shine somewhere. Absolutely no reason other than greed that SG doesn’t implement these things themselves and as long as the game runs in this manner. We will combat it till it changes or this game is gone. There are plenty of “not problem” people in the world and they ARE the problem not those of us who think of everyone.

Good day to you and thanks again

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Money spent does not equal fewer skill. Money spent = less competition and creating elitist attitude and segregation of playerbases in a world where most people come to escape that very problem in real life. You will always hear us say that without the FYP model this gacha thing never would have taken off in the first place put thats a horse of a different color.

Their spending only creates what they really want, not to be associated with people who cant spend as much as them.

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Idk how I’m a hypocrite here? I’m amazed at the level of hostility I’ve received on the forum for asking a question.

Anyways…

That mentality could be helpful, but so is the mentality that you don’t need all of those heroes to play the game, there will be a limit to ascension materials, emblems, etc.
if this is a protector of irrational behavior it makes sense.

I’ve worked a job where I put up to 80 hours a week in. I did more work than my coworkers who did 40 hours. I didn’t need to. I chose to. And I benefited from it. If I was limited to 40 hours I wouldn’t have made the career progress I did.

But I chose to because it gave me an advantage. I’m sure some whales do the same. Some are just irrational. But I don’t see why a whale would want to do that to themselves (given they do it). I’m sure many regret their decisions though.

I also don’t see anything in it for SG?

I’ve never heard this. I’ve never had my opinion invalidated because I’m f2p.

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They dont wa t to do that yo themselves that’s the whole point. They could give a ■■■■ less whether the game is here or not because they are willing to go spend elsewhere but for the people who actually enjoy the game, they would like for it to be more like the newer ones where the whales can’t take everything from them in every single event. With restrictions gamers get a game without you have this garbage that’s being classified as a game that I just how it is.

Other games with loot box mechanis sell cosmetic items only and have other ways of making income without forcing an uneven playerbase so why everyone gets upset when other gachas are already doing the same thing shows people true colors.

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I’m all for cosmetic sales. I actually get upset at games that don’t sell cosmetic items. I’m assuming that if they made more money from cosmetics, they would make a better game.

I play this game as f2p and I know people can pay for an advantage. This isn’t the only game I play where others spend to get an advantage over me.

My alliance is generally ranked just outside of the top 1k. If all of a sudden we were ranked 500 my game experience generally doesn’t change much. I don’t mind that so many others can spend to get an advantage. Because it doesn’t really change my experience.

What bothers me more is five star raid tournaments or general high trophy raiding. That’s not fun for me. But that’s one part of many in this game.

Also, I assume SG continues to operate as a game because of the big spenders. If there was less money, things might not be different. They could be. They could be worse.

In the end, I’m happy for the spenders. They allow the game to exist and allow me to play it an have fun with the game.

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