“Undo” for heroes to return ascension mats / “Reset Token” for ascension mats that would work like a Reset Emblem does for emblems

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I’m definitely for it but probably happy for it still to be rare.

I think it’s sad that newer players have to doubt levelling their heroes, in particular.

My wife has been playing under a year and just got Elena. I struggle to be excited for her knowing that I struggle to use Elena and would love the mats back.

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I have not read through the entire thread so probably most of these thoughts have already been mentioned but even as a c2p or vc2p play player who probably wouldn’t use this ability I still support the idea. I’m pretty “end game” for a cheap player with all my buildings maxed, a full team of fully emblemed 5*'s and other lvl 80 5*'s and a large number of 4*'s and 3*'s. I have mats to level up another 5* to 80 for all colors other than green and just lack heroes I want to level so while I have some heroes like Obakan at 80 with a fair number of emblems I feel no need to reset him because I can do 3 more dark 5* heroes before I run out of mats.

I think they can do a mats reset like they have for emblems and it would work out okay. There are a lot of little details to decide about the process but I think it can mirror emblems fairly well.

  1. What to do about emblems? Obviously, it would be much more powerful if mats reset also reset emblems automatically for a hero but I think that would make it harder to balance as resetting an unemblemed hero is obviously less valuable than resetting an emblemed hero. For simplicity sake I’d say Mats reset requires 0 emblems on the hero so you might need to do an emblem reset first.
  2. What point to reset to? For players, it would be nice if they reset to 3/60 for a 4* or 2/60 or 3/70 for a 5* so you didn’t loose all of your resources spent leveling them and were left with a partially leveled, possibly useful hero but again this feels harder to do. It leaves more questions to answer. What level is their special at? I expect a 4/70 or 5/80 to have a maxed special but going back to 3/60 or 2/60 they may not have been maxed out when you were actually leveling them. Also, do you have a way to pick between 2/60 and 3/70 for 5* heroes? In some situations you may want those unfarmable 3* mats back and in others you aren’t going to need them at all and would much rather leave the hero at 3/70 to preserve more of your resources spent on leveling and make them more likely to be useful. While probably least popular for users the easiest option seems to be just reset back to 1/1. Removes all those questions and complexity.
  3. What do we refund and how do we refund it? If we mirror reset emblems we’d have two options. One with gems and one with a token. The token one could easily refund all ascension mats and a portion of the food spent training them just like an emblem reset token. You could even refund some of the EXP in the form of trainer heroes if they wanted to do that. Gems reset seems a little more complicated. You wouldn’t expect the food or exp refund but the emblem reset only returns 95% of the emblems. I’m not sure how you’d duplicate that on mats. When resetting a hero to 1/1 the only mats you’d really are about are the 3* unfarmable mats (possibly) and the 4* mats so randomly loosing 1 mat would mean usually not mattering at all and sometimes feeling really bad when you lost one of your 4* mats. Especially when it was the 4* mat you needed the most. Imagine resetting a 5* hero and then not being able to ascend the replacement because the reset ate a 4* mat you had 0 of in inventory leaving you 1 short of your next hero. I assume not returning 100% of the emblems on a gem reset is to ensure you can’t repeat the process indefinitely if you are willing to keep spending on gems so I assume they’d want something similar for mats. You could make it always be 1 of the 3* unfarmable color specific mats but I’ve got ~40 of each color at this point so that doesn’t feel particularly limiting. Not sure the answer here. 3* unfarmable mat or no gem reset option seem like the options but not sure which one to go with.
  4. Where do the reset mats tokens drop? For the emblem resets we have the tokens dropping infrequently from the last level of the class quests. It doesn’t show up in the guaranteed loot but it is always there for everyone who completes it when it will drop. We could mirror that and add the same thing on to the end of the rare mats quests. In addition to adding it as a random rare drop from chest, titans etc.

Overall this feels like a fairly workable plan and shouldn’t be a big loss in $ for SGG. I feel like the big spenders would still probably buy the ascension mats just so they could have more options. They probably also buy more mats reset tokens too. It would also be a nice quality of life improvement for a lot of people. Not as big a deal to choose between do I level the hero I have now to get benefit now or hold off on that to hopefully get a better option later. I did see some posters that considered this an important part of the game but I don’t think it is IMO. Also reset tokens wouldn’t completely eliminate that as you’d still be spending a lot of resources leveling the hero that you wouldn’t get back and for people just leveling up I expect the reset tokens to be pretty rare so you still may not want to level up every 5* you can as soon as you can.

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I understand, mate!!

But IMHO it should be like an almost “extreme” action, maybe it could be an option in HA.

Very expensive, very long and you can’t use the hero who is going to be “demoted”.

And maybe a very rare token needed too.

But I understand entirely your point!

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Yeah, there’s no way SG would let this happen without severe consequences. They won’t even let you have a shot of getting one random 4* mat from Alchemy Lab without a first full of gems, a mountain of food and a week of your life

If SG are charging something like $30 for the choose your ascension deal, I can’t see them surrendering 8 rare mats for anything less than your first born child.

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It could help with increasing gem purchases. I would be more inclined to pull for heroes knowing that I have a hero I could pull mats from if I pulled a wanted hero.

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I agree. I would think that SG will make as much if not more by allowing to reset a hero. One example of wanting to do this is my Vela. I used alot of resources and mats to max her only for her to be nerfed. I would like those mats back. I understand they wanted to rebalance the game but I still want my mats back.
If we had the option to gain back some mats it would probably make people buy some gems or deals and do some more pulls knowing they have the potential to grab mats from somewhere for their flash new hero.

There is a ton of new hero’s being released at an alarming rate and for those of us they would like to keep up its an option to do so. I also feel this would help to counter the hero’s that are more obsolete these days.

I’m going to throw this idea in as well as an option. What about an option to fuse S1 hero’s to continue to make them viable in the game and get them keeping up with the power creep. I’m not just talking 5* hero’s either. I feel the main issue here is the fact we have some very old original hero’s that we don’t use because they don’t keep up with the new releases yet they are still in the pool when we summon.

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Thats never going to happen. . The ascention mats is why their greedy butts are making millions a month. Cross it off your wish list. The mats are what controls the game economy. Now, if we could get a legit majority of players, and thats a ■■■■-ton of players, to refuse, collectively, to spend another dime with them until they stop being so greedy and hear us, and respond appropriately, like 50% of revenue is gone, unless that happens, they are in the business of effing you over and unlike casinos, they have no overdight. Dont spend more than you can afford. Interesting how this cpmpany has evolved. Born in one of the Baltic countries, i dont remember, Denmark, Sweeden, Finland, somewhere around there, they are all VERY Socialist countries and typically frowend⁹wg

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I won’t spend money on ascension materials. $30.00 for one, when you need six!

Still am in agreement with some sort of reset.
I had Obakan and Quintus for almost a year plus, I broke down and level them fully, because I didn’t have any other options for that long period.

A few months later I pulled Sartana x 2, Dominta, Hel, Khiona and Karnov all within a few months of each other. Of course I no longer have enough resources to level whom I’d rather have now.

Frankly, that should go for any color. Why spend money to pull the new fancy hero’s, when you spent resources long ago. I have 4 ice 5* hero’s I want to ascend and I can’t.

Spend more money on gems, fancy new heros in the ‘new season’. No reason really.

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I vote for a Reset Hero Token, i think we all need one right now we have a million new heroes and yet the hunt for mats is the same. Our old heros are pretty bad and outdated now and we would like to exchange mats for the new shiny toys?

SG can you release a reset hero token and return only 4* mats? The rest is needless.

The reset token for emblems was a great idea, now take that up a notch and release the FULL HERO RESET TOKEN

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I strongly vote for the usage of the search function.

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Especially, SG can start with allowing reset of those “specific” heroes that they have nerfed… to be reset by a player in his / her roster and use the mats with another hero…

This would be a fair practice, else, after spending to get the heroes, I am left feeling cheated of my spend for that hero…

@Petri : FYI

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I like this idea. It’s similar to something I suggested.

My suggestion was only for 4th tier items though. 708k of ham, tome, Damascus blade, and the other 4* and 3* ascension items used to move the hero to 4-1. The ascension reset token would only take the hero back to 3/70.

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Your putting out way to many heroes way to fast and not enough mats!!! I think a reset token for mats would be a awesome idea… I know If I had to purchase one for 5.99 to get some mats I used on a dog hero I would… or just add it to another deal monthly think it would get people not complaining bout mats. And keep some of the veteran players around.

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Your idea seems relevant to me.

I was also thinking about shortage of 4* mats and surplus of 5* heroes and have some ideas as well.

How about:

-add option to pull hero from summon portal with a set of 4* mats (lets say 1,3% chance for a 5* hero and 0,3% chance for a 5* hero including set of six 4* mats for to lvl up that summoned hero)

-add 4* mats as standalone option to summon from portal (now we have 1 chest for every 10 summons in some portals - I would keep as is but also add 4* mats as pull able options from portals.

I doubt SG will ever add something from above mentioned but one never knows :slight_smile:

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Well this type of suggestion certainly gets my vote.
I have so many 5* heroes sat between at 1/1 and 3/70 with no Tome or Blades to take them any further.

I have reached a bottleneck in the game and not sure what to do next to be honest.

We need more events that allow us to win both Tome and Blade, otherwise it’s going to get very frustrating being made to stand still in a game rather than progress / move forward.

Perhaps SG will consider this when looking to improve QOL for veteran players. I don’t mind holding onto duplicate 5* as long as I can do something with the original copy of the hero.

At the moment the only progress I can make is with my 3* and 4* heroes.

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Tomes for me… Shouldnt have used them during the T.P. shortage last year, but gotta do what ya gotta do… Now I can’t ascend 5* heroes.

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LOL wait for tomorrow… circus is coming to town :clown_face::clown_face::clown_face:

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Too Funny. Looks like the shortage wiped you out of tomes!

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Yeah, reset Ranvir would be nice, so what’s the verdict on reset tokens, would also like the old Wu back before they buffed him, fed a fully maxed Wu since the miss drives me crazy, a recent titan hit where two hits on a target gave me a zero score and 100% miss with Ranvir want me to reset him and apply the mats on a better hero, Ranvirs 100% miss rate will definitely get a spot at HA[quote=“Tsuni, post:1, topic:13111, full:true”]
I would really like a feature that allows me to “undo” the ascension of a hero. … have you ever spent (lots of) time, effort, precious materials and whatnot to ascend an hero telling yourself “he needs to be higher before he can really shine”… only to find out he/she just never will?
I would like the opportunity to just demote him/her and recover my precious materials.
Maybe lock the hero for a long time or even forever after the demotion so you cannot “play games” and shuffle one set of materials around as needed. But PLEASE give me a chance for redemption when I realize I totally screwed up (all allusions to guardian owl are purely accidental)
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