Trainer Heroes in Event Portals -- Thoughts and Discussions

[SamMe]

I have never maxed a Dawa. Ever.

I recently got her costume, and considered levelling her. Due to lack of free hero slots, I fed away Dawa once again.

[Tidyup]

@Saros

The important point is that you now state your opinion on this subject as a whale. Not as a c2p.

He’s assuming that I was a whale immediately from the start, which I was not. But I didn’t tell him on the first post so I’m just clarifying it with him now

@Saros

Money hinder creativity and judgment. S1 3* can be pretty important for a rare tournament or for a rare challenge event. Such as lowly Karil for example from whom I recently saw three copies in several very high-ranked teams on rare Wonderland challenge.

Karil is different. He has more attack and I can understand why people still used him to this day on challenge events. He was saved by nordri’s ice defence down tbh

@Saros

Costume Dawa is pretty good versus mid-level purple titans and in rare quests such as Morlovia. Or versus purple-heavy teams in a rare tournament.

How about regular dawa? Would you use her then?

My point is because of my experience, I know what heroes to look out for even when I start a new game. Heroes like dawa and even graymane does not interest me and I would never want to train them ever. If I don’t get the heroes I want then I wait. This game as annoying as it is, taught me patience.

[Saros]

@Tidyup

How about regular dawa? Would you use her then?

My point is because of my experience, I know what heroes to look out for even when I start a new game. Heroes like dawa and even graymane does not interest me and I would never want to train them ever. If I don’t get the heroes I want then I wait. This game as annoying as it is, taught me patience.

Regular Dawa and Graymane are definitely not worthy to ascend. I have a maxed out early game Graymane, and despite he was of help, I wouldn’t ascend it now if I was in the same spot. I’d rather give my blue feeders to an off-color hero.

The point is, you aren’t always getting Dawas or Graymanes or other useless heroes out of a portal to justify the need to replace them all with trainer heroes. Most of the time in fact you get useful heroes. Useful for a beginner c2p or f2p at least. In addition, while there could be some merit to discussing 3* trainers, I completely am against even the slightest possibility of 4* trainers instead of S1 4* heroes.

[Quinn3]

@Chris21

If you didn’t have said hero’s "worth ascending " who would you use those trainers on? And my guess and known fact is people just starting this game think any three star is worth getting excited over! And as a whale I don’t think your qualifications to comment are founded on the norm of players nor are you just beginning this journey. I think you’ve forgotten when you first started but then again you probably just threw money at the portals so you didn’t have to grind like the rest of us. But I can remember having to level 2* hero’s until I could pull three star hero’s so any three was better than the two stars I had!!!

So, I’m F2P, do I qualify to comment?
You have to be somewhat realistic as we’re talking about event portals. For someone who is just starting, and NOT spending money, they’re not going to summon from them period. There’s no way you can complete enough of the challenges with 2* heroes with a smattering of 3* heroes without item support which you won’t have the resources to use as you spend your time building your buildings. By the time you actually get enough coins to actually summon from these portals, you’ld likely already have a decent set of 3 and 4 star heroes. Think about S2 and S3, do you think you could collect 100 coins easily (going through 34 stages) without a decent set of heroes? You also have to consider WE limitations as well, as you don’t have a lot to start. Same with challenge events: they run once a month. Assuming you have a beginning roster of 2 and 3 stars, maybe you can finish the rare for 3 coins. Maybe not, I’m not going to run to find out. Epic challenge? Not likely. I remember going through at least 3 or 4 challenges before being able to complete the epic challenge at which point I’d have some 4 star heroes and unlikely to care about building up more 3 star heroes.
Basically, by the time you actually get the coins to summon, you’d probably already have a decent set of heroes from your TC, assuming you build up your building correctly.

[Tidyup]

@Saros

Most of the time in fact you get useful heroes.

Yeah and you said this yourself already. Why would I ‘use’ resources on a regular S1 vanilla 3* with no costume bonus that I’m not going to use it in the long run when I can wait for better ones that I’m going to use them more often and efficiently.

@Saros

I completely am against even the slightest possibility of 4* trainers instead of S1 4* heroes.

Yes and I agree, even some 4*s without costumes have their merits in this meta. But the thing is, you would rather pull in the costumes portal at this point. The only thing I won’t accept is if they add trainer heroes in the costume portals. Now that is too much for me.

[Saros]

I recently had to eat a couple of ascended to max 2* heroes and saw how much experience they gave me so there is a useful proposition to make everyone happy:

Don’t put trainers in challenge portal but rather make all of the S1 3* pulled from challenge portals ascended to the last tier and all S1 4* ascended to second tier.

That way if you use those for food, they will grant you almost the same xp as a trainer hero (at least the 3*). And at the same time, new players will be happy to pull even with money and not be disappointed from those ascended 3* who are of great help to a beginner.

[Chris21]

That is a awesome idea and one where everyone would win. I’m no longer a noob per say but I do think about those just starting and remember my struggle as a vctp. I too at first started as a ftp but so became a cheap to play. I however don’t think small giant will ever implement this suggestion because truthful I don’t think they care about their players. There is alot that needs fixed but their focus is always on the portals trying to bring in more money not fixing area’s that would make this game more enjoyable for everyone. I see both sides of this coin and there are merits on both sides. Your suggestion is a stroke of genius but likely will fall on deaf ears but thanks for the food for thought, really is a good idea that satisfies everyone!!!

[Chris21]

Your logic has some merit and I understand your points but as you can read on this forum not everyone is for trainer’s in portals and I happen to be one of those. Can we agree that both sides have valid points and that we must agree to disagree? Not all three stars are worthless. Like the above mentioned.

[Saros]

I just checked.

Ascended to last tier 3* hero gives 4500+ xp to an on-color hero, whereas a 3* trainer gives only 3000 xp.
Ascended to second tier 3* hero gives a bit less than a 3* trainer.

Didn’t check with 4* since I currently have no 4* trainers but I guess that the percentages are the same.

So the whales will be actuallymuch more happy pulling a 3* hero ascended to the last tier than a 3* trainer.

[Quinn3]

@Chris21

Can we agree that both sides have valid points and that we must agree to disagree? Not all three stars are worthless. Like the above mentioned.

Sure. My point is not to use scenarios that aren’t realistic (or very unlikely) to justify your point. It’s just that people are saying, “think of the newbies” without being realistic of their situation or defining what a newbie is.

Are all 3 stars worthless? No, and that was never my point. My point is by the time you actually have the coins to summon at these portals, it’s very likely that you’ll already have a collection of 3 and 4 stars.

[the.real.dream]

It has an impact on your chances of getting a 5* hero, sure it done. Look at it like this. Let’s say you have a 1.5% chance of getting a 5* out of 50 heroes. But, when you add in the trainers now you get a 1.5% chance of getting a 5* out of 60 or 70 heroes. So the 1.5% doesn’t drop but the pool of heroes increase and not in a good way. Now you’re likely to pull 3* and trainers. People want the pool of heroes to decrease not increase. When I pull for let’s say season 2, I only want the pool to be season 2 heroes not season and trainers too. It should be this way for every event but SGG would lose money so it will never happen, it’s too honest.

[Zathrus]

No. The number of heroes doesn’t change the odds on getting a 5 star. Not in the slightest.

[MxJunie]

Someone probably already mentioned it, but if trainers were to be added to Event Portals, it would have to function more like how bonus draws doesn’t mean you don’t get a hero, regardless if it’s a 3* hero, 4* hero, or 5* hero. Trainers shouldn’t be drawn as though they’re “unique” heroes but rather an addition to a hero one would have gotten without a trainer.

Or just include the trainers by default as a reward post-Event, the lowest reward tier getting:

• Rare Rewards
• • x1 1-Star Trainer at the lower tiers
• • x1 2-Star Trainer at the mid tiers
• • x1 3-Star Trainer at the higher tiers
• Epic Rewards
• • x1 2-Star Trainer at the lower tiers
• • x1 3-Star Trainer at the mid tiers
• • x1 4-Star Trainer at the higher tiers
• Legendary Rewards
• • x2 2-Star Trainers at the lower tiers
• • x2 3-Star Trainers at the mid tiers
• • x1 4-Star Trainer at the higher tiers

(Might have to adjust those. I vaguely remembering sharing this idea with others when League of Villains arrived abruptly and it was clear Trainers were being pulled as though they were their own heroes with “unique” skills.)

[Nal94]

Bring epic trainer odds back to 5% for the circus please. Why decreasing it?

[Quinn3]

Because people were complaining that they couldn’t get S1 epic heroes.

[Nal94]

That’s not a good argument. total was 10% in the last one (5% each). Now it’s 11%. The thing is, they gave 10% for rare trainer so it’s not a response to that at all.

[Nal94]

and those moanings for S1 feeders are a big joke to me frankly…

[Quinn3]

I didn’t say it was a good argument, I am just pointing out that people were complaining about it. Just take a look at this thread for the amount of people who don’t want trainers at all and feel that S1 rare and epic heroes are better.

[Nal94]

I got you. But they still have better odds for trainers. Just a drastic drain of epic ones.

[TGW]

If push comes to shove. If you were to ask me, “would you rather get a trainer hero from a summon, or another Dawa?”

Definitely give me the trainer hero, please.

Though I would still ask… why are Dawas even still a possibility? Not just a possibility, but a 70% possibility? After all this time?

C’mon, SG. Seriously bruh. Nearly 3 years later and you are still giving me the same generic heroes in my summons. Still costs 300 gems for a feeder hero that isn’t even worth as a decent feeder hero. Can you please fix this nonsense? Ah, no, of course you won’t, as long as people are still willing to keep paying you the same prices for the same garbage.

Carry on, then.