Wait til you get a load of Delilah maxed out.
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absolutely. If given the choice to have one of those, Iād take Ares all day everyday.
Guin is however the better tank. Ares can go off a couple times and you can work around it. Guin goes off a couple times, gg.
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How about 4 star heroās. Same question.
Youāre saying she is boring too?
I guess
All healers are boring
Has anyone faced a maxed out Delilah yet? I have her in my main account, but sheās still really weak. I actually got her in my alt account as well, so Iām raiding with her down in the 500 cup range. Whenever I get the special off, I hardly take another hit. If I get it off twice (as often happens against me with defense tanks) its nearly impossibly to get any damage through. Do debuffers get rid of the guards? Also, are they yellow (asking for Jackal combinations)?
Minions cannot be dispelled.
Didnāt really try Delilah tanking, doesnāt have the right stat distribution for it in my mind; same issue for Zeline and even Alby for some of the other respondents.
Vivica is another one I wouldnāt tank with; slow mana and heal + easily handled buff = meh.
Anchorās guide is pretty good when it comes to tanks; however, I agree with Dante that Hel is easily in the top 3 tanksā¦ if she fires once, I have some issues, if she fires twice Iām dead.
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For 4-star heroes, I think Kasshrek, Cyprian, Boril, Boldtusk, Colen, and Li Xiu are good ones. Little John, Kiril, Grimm, Tiburtus, Gormek, and Rigard are honorable mentions. Personally, I would rank them like this:
- Kasshrek
- Li Xiu
- Boril
- Colen
- Cyprian
- Boldtusk
ā¦followed byā¦
- Kiril
- Grimm
- Tiburtus
- Gormek
- Rigard
- Little John
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Dante has a maxxed Delilah so you should ask him,
Iām also hesitant about maxing her and at 3-70 she wouldnāt be that useful
Grimm really?
The guy is paper thin, little John should go before him
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Iām more interested in if anyone has faced Delilah in a raid at any significant power. This a great example of why free inter-alliance raiding would be really helpful, and also promote teamwork.
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LJ should go before many of those but why quibble hahaā¦ right after Kashrek in my book (and maybe before) if weāre talking mid-level tanks. Kash / LJ / Colen are the only 3 I really feared.
Kiril / Bold / LX all kinda similar on second tier, maybe Boril there too.
The rest I wouldnāt want to tank with if I had other options; the pulverizer trio are not good tanks.
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Grimm is definitely the most fragile tank, but he plays an interesting role at tankā¦one that is slightly more effective than Little John. I have very little fear facing LJ, but I at least have to work around hitting Grimm. His attack is really high and his special can go off once or twice before heās dead. He may not live, but if his special goes off, the rest of the team will beat you into oblivion. Sometimes I send my tiles straight into LJ because I can often kill him before his special goes off.
Grimm is not a good tank. It doesnāt take more than a couple green matches with 2x greens to kill him before heās fired and you can also snipe him from side matches if need be.
Any list that has Cyprian anywhere near the top is not a good listā¦that guy is bad. The stat difference is what makes Boril a fine tank and Cyprian bad.
@Denys I donāt have max Delilah in production, that video was from beta. Mine is tier 1 right now. But Delilah is a very good Yellow. Joon is better and should be maxād first, but she can be taken to tier 4 without worry IMO. Sheās also quite useful at 3/70 in AW (whereas viv really isnāt).
Also āintermediateā is a sort of vague term. IF weāre defining that as āpeople only have one 70 in each colorā, then yah Kashhrek is a beast. But very quickly he falls off a cliff as people start to 1. get dispel and 2. get more reds. All the others including BT and Kiril stand up better because their special actually helps kill the enemy (all 5 heroes do 48% more damage, yes please!) or slow them down. K does neither really. The big heal is actually more valuable in AW than regular raids.
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I think Delilah is more of an offensive healer type. I donāt think youāll see her in many raid defenses, especially when there are better options for that role.
Given there are only two people with her max in Departed, I suspect she just hasnāt had time to really make an impact yet at the higher ranks.
Altās defense was winning some north of 2500 with her sub-80 sitting at flank, so sheās not insta-lose at that level.
Iāve had her in my war defense on the main (and alt), better results on alt but was facing HHR in the one war I had her in on the mainā¦ which for my money is one of the top 4 alliances in game; actually going to slide her back in now come to think on the main.
Somehow I donāt understand the definition of a tank. I thought a tank is a hero, which can withstand a lot of damage and does not die immediately.
But when I look at the lists like that, I donāt quite understand it anymoreā¦ Ok, Iām not a high end player and I currently have my first 5* Heros and maybe I still lack some experience. (Cup Ranking ~2000)
But maybe someone would explain it to me. As an example some such heroes like Isarnia (5*) or Colen (4*) bring here into their listā¦
If I look at Isarnia, she is 41st in the overall ranking with her defense value! Ok, of course she has a very high damage, but that doesnāt make her to the tank?
Comparable applies to Colen, LJ, Horghall (ok his HP are nice) etc.
If I look at an unpopular hero (Elkanen) as a comparison, then for me these would be rather the stats to represent a tank (Defense value Ranking 5). In addition, he would have an ability (fast) to stay alive.
As I said, for me this is all just theory on paper, but try to understand it.
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Iād like to ask this question in another way. For those of us who just recently started, who are the best tanks from heros that we can currently get (challenge events and regular heros)?
The minions chance element according the the hero they are tied to.
Iām a data-forward person, so I thought it would be interesting to test perceptions against the character stats. We donāt know precisely how defense and health interact, but in the heroās power rating on the card, it appears that defense is weighted 2x more than health.
I therefore calculate a ātankinessā score as 2 x Def + Health. Here are the top 5* by this metric (* indicates an event hero, Ā§ a Hero of the Month):
- Guardian Owl *
- Thorne
- Justice
- Ares Ā§
- Richard
- Guinevere *
- Horghall
- Elkanen
- Marjana
- Sartana
Looking at only the 4* by the same metric, we have:
- Boril
- Guardian Falcon *
- First Mate Boomer *
- Kashhrek
- Cyprian
- Gormek
- Boldtusk
- Rigard
- Sonya
- Chao
This metric is simply about the defense & health stats and doesnāt consider how well the heroās attack special helps. Still, some surprising results. Is there a use for Boomer still?
While I had this up, I thought to look at the flip metric, a āglass cannonā metric, to see which heroes are the least durable using the same 2:1 calculation. Hereās what we get for 5*, from most fragile to less fragile:
- Elena
- Isarnia
- Magni
- Lady Locke *
- Azlar
- Master Lepus *
- Guardian Kong *
- Guardian Panther *
- Obakan
- Musashi Ā§
And the 4* glass cannons:
- Scarlett
- Guardian Jackal *
- Sir Lancelot *
- Little John
- Jack OāHare *
- Colen
- Melendor
- Skittleskull
- Grimm
- Sabina
Again, these ranks need to be taken with a grain of salt. A fragile healer is a healer, after all, and can add HP back.
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I think the issue is āTankā and āCenterā is being used interchangeably. A Tank is what you have described. Someone with high survivability, through health, defense, specials & healing. A great āCenterā can be almost anything. Lianna was a great defense Center for a long time because she had well rounded stats, but would kill 2 heroes before she was dead, immediately putting the raid in her favor 4v3.
Since you mentioned Colen & Isarnia, their job isnāt to tank, itās to absorb a little bit of damage but do waaay more damage back before they die. Giving the advantage for the defense.
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