Titan data project v1.9

So some interesting (to me) things fell out of a random thread in Bug Reports of all things questioning the HP value of a titan.

Upon some fairly easy analysis a couple things were shown:

  • Every Titan HP value that I could check is divisible evenly by 22000
  • There is a lot of variation in Titan HP values in the current game even for a given titan star level.

I put together a WIP spreadsheet, and there’s some gaping holes especially in the 1-6* titan range; 7/8 are not awesome, 9/10* was able to fill in moderately well.

If you are tracking titan data for an alliance, or just even tracking titan loot pictures for yourself, I’d would greatly appreciate anything you can give me from 12/1/17 onward (rough 1.9 release date even if it was a few days earlier) especially on the lower titans where there just isn’t that much data.

Many thanks!

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We have a Kraken 9* at 2376000 (multiplier 108)

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Hi Revelate,
I’m recording all titan fights and here the datas from 12/1 to now

emperor dragon 8* 2068000
vulcanic dragon 8* 2200000
galcial mammoth 8* 2068000
volcanic dragon 8* 1936000
typhoon dragon 8* 2068000
onyx dragon 8* 2024000
fire dragon 8* 2024000
kraken 9* 2574000
typhoon dragon 8* 2200000
poison dragon 8* 2156000
emperor dragon 9* 2464000
dread dragon 8* 2024000
fire dragon 8* 2200000
onyx dragon 9* 2376000
gorgon 9* 2376000
onyx dragon 9* 2662000
poison dragon 8* 2156000
gorgon 8* 2244000
onyx dragon 8* 2156000
kraken 9* 2420000
emperor dragon 9* 2574000
kraken 9* 2376000
gorgon 9* 2376000
kraken 7* 1738000
dread dragon 8* 2024000
emperor dragon 8* 2060000
blaze dragon 7* 1694000
primal lizard 6* 1386000
kraken 7* 1650000
goblin king 6* 1386000
dread dragon 5* 946000
blaze dragon 8* 2024000

sorry for redundancy, don’t know if sequence is important

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Will endeavour to edit this as you go, my leader tracks daily so I’ll scour back through her line posts. Thanks Hawayo if you’re reading this!!
7-9* titans so should fill some blanks.

Missing titans are in italics, as it won’t let me bold them for some reason.

Spawn date 07/02/18 - Emperor Dragon 8* - 2112000 (96x)
06/02 - Blaze Dragon 8* - 2024000 (92)
05/02 - Onyx Dragon 7* - 1782000 (81)
04/02 - Typhoon Dragon 7 - 1804000 (82)*
03/02 - Onyx 9 - 2376000 (108)*
02/02 - Kraken 8 - 2024000 (92)*
01/02 - Dread Dragon 8 - 2112000 (96)*
31/01 - Volcanic 8 - 2024000 (92)*
30/01 - Gorgon 9* - 2464000 (112)
29/01 - Volcanic 8* - 2156000 (98)
28/01 - Glacial Mammoth 7* - 1782000 (81)
27/01 - Emperor 7* - 1606000 (73)
26/01 - Gorgon 7 - 1540000 (70)*
25/01 - Typhoon 7* - 1540000 (70)
24/01 - Gorgon 7 - 1606000 (73)*
24/01 - Typhoon 8* - 1936000 (88) (presumed midnight & 11pm GMT spawns)
23/01 - Venomtail 8 - 2156000 (98)*
22/01 - Typhoon 8 - 2024000 (92)*
21/01 - Volcanic 8* - 1980000 (90)
Missing 2 titans here
18/01 - 6 Demon Lord - 1386000 (63)*
17/01 - 8 Onyx - 1936000 (88)*
16/01 - Volcanic 8 - 1936000 (88)*
15/01 - Kraken 8 - 2200000 (100)*
14/01 - Volcanic 7* - 1804000 (82)
13/01 - Onyx 7* - 1782000 (81)
12/01 - Kraken 7* - 1738000 (79)

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I have made it complete in powerpoint presentation design file and will be published soon.

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For once being a smallish Ally is helpful :wink:
Plenty of 6* in our data for your enjoyment (including a couple of Blue Prima Lizards missing in you spreadsheet).
Spawn date
08/02 - Primal Lizard 6* - 1386000
07/02 - Venomtail Dragon 6* - 1364000
06/02/ - Blaze Dragon 8* - 1936000
05/02 - Emperor Dragon 7* - 1782000
04/02 - Blaze Dragon 7* - 1540000
03/02 - Volcanic Dragon 7* - 1606000
02/02 - Typhoon Dragon 7* - 1738000
01/02 - Gorgon Queen 7* - 1694000
31/01 - Onyx Dragon 7* - 1540000
30/01 - Emperor Dragon 6* - 1540000
29/01 - Goblin King 6* - 1386000
28/01 - Venomtail Dragon 6* - 1386000
27/01 - Glacial Mammoth 7* - 1584000
26/01 - Typhoon Dragon 7* - 1606000
25/01 - Dread Dragon 6* - 1386000
24/01 - Venomtail Dragon 7* - 1782000
2301 - Typhoon Dragon 7* - 1606000
22/01 - Dread Dragon 7* - 1540000
21/01 - Glacial Mammoth 7* - 1540000
20/01 - Dread Dragon 6* - 1386000
19/01 - Venomtail Dragon 7* - 1650000
18/01 - Typhoon Dragon 7* - 1540000
17/01 - Goblin King 6* - 1430000
16/01 - Gorgon Queen 8* - 2024000
15/01 - Onyx Dragon 7* - 1782000
14/01 - Glacial Mammoth 6* - 1386000
13/01 - Primal Lizard 6* - 1386000
12/01 - Goblin King 6* - 1298000
11/01 - Typhoon Dragon 6* - 1254000

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Thank you for the replies and data!

It looks like there’s exactly 8 steps in each Titan level; appears to hold identically for 9 / 10* where I have a lot of data, 6/7/8* have gotten 8 as well. Haven’t gone looking for patterns on the increases, but largest step so far has a scale factor of 3 (3 * 22000 = 66000) and smallest is increments of 1 (22K difference).

My guess at this point is when they twiddle with titans they just change the scale factor and everything else follows (ATK / DEF too).

1-5* are absolutely wretched as of right now haha. Not sure how to sort that quickly, those don’t come over Merc chat often and most alliances in that range likely aren’t on the forums either. Ah beta testers will probably have 1* again for AW! :slight_smile:

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It might be.

Right now just trying to establish all of the HP levels in game; my old theory before was you had a chance to move up or down or stay the same on titan stars, but it’s looking much more sophisticated seeing all these discrete levels inside individual star values.

Ultimately I’d like to see a couple alliances over time and just the tale of the tape: Titan, *, HP, result including percentage left if escape, hell even speed on kills. We (collectively) were kinda wrong about some things, we might be there too. Possible example of this: both the new alliances recently started under the Seven Days umbrella moved to high level titans at surprising speed, and that was not the case with some newbie alliances I played in… something might have changed, or maybe our underlying assumptions were wrong.

To be clear: not sure that speed is even a thing I’m just spitballing; we kill titans pretty effectively in Departed and we drop back off the max value HP fairly often actually, so I suspect there’s still a roll involved.

Then go looking for patterns. I don’t know if we’re going to get that far, it’s a long term project for alliances at various levels… but maybe we can figure it out; but this is a first step and I greatly appreciate everyone’s assistance on it!

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By missing do you mean escapes?

Haha your link doesn’t go anywhere useful :slight_smile:

Spg said that speed of titan kill has no impact

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Ah sweet, was that in an AMA that I missed? Would love to see the reference if it can be found.

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I believe it was in the devs chat that @Rook @Coppersky and I were on

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I meant the ones that weren’t on your spreadsheet so far, although I was skimming it while at work.

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Just saw this thread, here is some low star titan stats to help round out your data. I’ll keep tracking - my alliance will probably level out around 3-5* range for awhile.

Feb 5, 1*, 88000hp
Feb 6, 1*, 88000hp
Feb 7, 1*, 88000hp
Feb 8, 1*, 154000hp StoneSkin Dragon
Feb 9, 2*, 264000hp, Emerald Dragon
Feb 10, 2*, 308000hp, Water Dragon
Feb 11, 3*, 440000hp, Demon Lord
Feb 12, 3*, 440000hp, Raging Hydra

(I didn’t record names for the first few).

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Thanks!

Yeah 4* and below is where it’s at now; 5* and up have a full 8 tiers of HP inside the Titan level, and it’s clear based on the data so far that any of the titans can spawn at any of the available multiples of 22K for that given Titan star level.

It breaks down at the lower tiers though; there’s simply no way that 1*'s can have 8 levels, right now only found 5 and there’s only room for one more (198000 hp) before we get to the current lowest HP seen in 2*'s which is 222000; if 198000 exists (22k * 9) it might belong to 2* as well as that so far is missing some too as multiples of 16 and 17 I haven’t found yet either (though they could be 3* as well).

There appears to be some which are way less common than others, like the 176K 1* which I’ve never seen except if I see escapes in some recently dying alliance logs that I’ve wandered through over the past few days. Every successful alliance I’ve seen in killing their titans so far has jumped right past that, and it’s just not that hard to do it when fairly new accounts can get to 5-10k hits on a 1* as I’m finding in my test alliance.

Found the 8th 4* tier, yipee!

Now to sort the confusing mess that is 1-3*'s haha. Can’t get the full 8 HP tiers inside the titan star levels on all of them since there doesn’t seem to be any titans smaller than 88000 including in dead alliances of 30+ escapes.

And this is part two of the project; very early, but already can illustrate that damage appears to change inside a titan star level between different HP tiers: aka the attack stat of the titan increases too.

There isn’t enough data to get this numbers exactly accurate, but this is a sample from two different 1* Ember Dragons, 1 at 110k and the other at 154k HP, for their average slash damage (non-special) against fixed targets.

Targets in this case are:

Titan Testing Team
Sabina (4/70) / Level 1 Remastered Knights
Grimm (4/70) / Level 1 Ravager Archers
Ares (4/80) / Level 1 Barbaric Assassins
Zeline (3/70) / Level 1 Deepwood Ents
Wukong (4/70) / Level 1 Devout Battlers

And the very early rough data, again damage is the average of incoming slash attacks from the titan:

13%20PM

Also have data for these heroes tile damage against the titans but that’s a more complicated analysis as I have to factor out the cascade combo multipliers and critical hits to get to a base damage. That’ll be fun haha, tomorrow’s project.

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Different sort order and more titans, yay:

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Ermmmm sorry to throw a spanner in your machinery but here is another HP tier for 10* that is not present in your spreadsheet

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